Joe beats Pavlik, and Manny beats Diaz. Which win would be more impressive?

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

You've got to be joking to think Calzaghe would not be as heavily favored against a younger, smaller, underrated Pavlik

Yes he would most probably be favoured, but favoured as much as Manny is would be a bit of a stretch.

[Left Hook Tua]

if joan guzman fights pacquiao after manny wins a 135 lb. belt and beats him and joe calzaghe fights librado andrade and wins......which is more impressive for p4p rankings?

see how it works both ways?

better to compare wins now and not hypothetical wins. especially when the fight isn't even set yet.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

okay...... is the pavlik-calzaghe fight deal done?

i know the diaz fight is already set for this month.

why are you comparing a hypothetical bout for joe against one that's already made for manny?

if you are gonna hypothesize a pavlik win for joe then why not hypothesize a hatton win for manny?

you're putting up a hypothetical fight win against one that's already set?

you're putting up a hypothetical dream win that'll probably be joe's best win to date against manny pacquiao's TUNE-UP fight?

funny.

As far as I am aware, the RJJ fight is dead in the water, and the only other person Calzaghe wants to fight is Pavlik.

Pavlik has said he wants this too, so I assume the fight will most probably happen.

I also doubt that Pavlik will be Joes best win to date, that honour goes to either Hopkins or Kessler.

[shadeyfizzle]

Yes he would most probably be favoured, but favoured as much as Manny is would be a bit of a stretch.

You're tripping balls. The only way Pavlik Calzaghe gets made is at Supermiddle where he would be ALOT smaller than Joe C. He would be just as heavily favored

[Left Hook Tua]

As far as I am aware, the RJJ fight is dead in the water, and the only other person Calzaghe wants to fight is Pavlik.

Pavlik has said he wants this too, so I assume the fight will most probably happen.

I also doubt that Pavlik will be Joes best win to date, that honour goes to either Hopkins or Kessler.

pavlik is the champion at 160 and he's not washed up. believe me it's a better win that a 41 yr. old hopkins. kessler is a good win too and even he is a better win than hopkins.

hopkins has the name but he's 41 yrs. old! was rocky marciano's biggest win joe louis? he was even younger than hopkins and he was coming off numerous wins. no. because history judged that louis was past prime. they will do the same with hopkins that's why joe needs a win against a younger guy who will keep on winning after joe retires to cement his legacy.

if joe can beat a pavlik and pavlik regains the 160 belt or become 168 champ after joe retires. that's a bigger win for joe's legacy.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

pavlik is the champion at 160 and he's not washed up. believe me it's a better win that a 41 yr. old hopkins. kessler is a good win too and even he is a better win than hopkins.

hopkins has the name but he's 41 yrs. old! was rocky marciano's biggest win joe louis? he was even younger than hopkins and he was coming off numerous wins. no. because history judged that louis was past prime. they will do the same with hopkins that's why joe needs a win against a younger guy who will keep on winning after joe retires to cement his legacy.

if joe can beat a pavlik and pavlik regains the 160 belt or become 168 champ after joe retires. that's a bigger win for joe's legacy.

I half agree with you, and half don't.

All of Hopkins most impressive wins have come when he was "past his prime" from a skills standpoint, but different people judge a fighters prime in a different way.

I can see why people would say it was when they were at their physical peak, but I can also see why people would say it was when they achieved their biggest wins.

I have always maintained that Calzaghe's prime was when he could punch, but that's not when he achieved his biggest wins, so Hopkins, in my opinion, would be considered past his prime, but he was still coming off the back of his biggest career wins, and looked in no worse shape against Joe than against Tarver.

Edit: Just realised, Pavlik would not lose his 160 belts, as any fight between the two would either be for Joe's 168 belts or at a catchweight. Either way, win or lose, Pavlik keeps his 160 titles.

A more suitable comment would have been "Pavlik dominates 160".

[Left Hook Tua]

I half agree with you, and half don't.

All of Hopkins most impressive wins have come when he was "past his prime" from a skills standpoint, but different people judge a fighters prime in a different way.

I can see why people would say it was when they were at their physical peak, but I can also see why people would say it was when they achieved their biggest wins.

I have always maintained that Calzaghe's prime was when he could punch, but that's not when he achieved his biggest wins, so Hopkins, in my opinion, would be considered past his prime, but he was still coming off the back of his biggest career wins, and looked in no worse shape against Joe than against Tarver.

Edit: Just realised, Pavlik would not lose his 160 belts, as any fight between the two would either be for Joe's 168 belts or at a catchweight. Either way, win or lose, Pavlik keeps his 160 titles.

A more suitable comment would have been "Pavlik dominates 160".

that's fine. if it's at 168 and kelly keeps his 160 belt for a few years. he'd be joe's biggest win. taylor beat hops twice. doesn't make him p4p.

[Johnny Rebel]

Pavlik is a bigger win and should give Joe the P4P title for any doubters. This will be the third young, undefeated, gunslinger that Calzaghe has beaten while past his prime and fighting with hands/wrist that will need surgery after he retires. Pac is a great fighter but his many losses and close wins have to put him a notch below Joe, IMHO.

[AintGottaClue]

Joe's win would be more impressive but if Pac wins he is number 1 cause he is moving up in weight to challenge for another weight divsion title (not the title but apart of it) while joe would fight someone coming up, not to mention Pac's record is better then Joe's

[Bizzle_LDN]

Calzaghe's win would be more impressive imo. The weight class could determine how impressive it is (closer to middle weight the more so otherwise the argument could be Pavlik was too far out of his ideal weight).