People overrate the older fighters way too much.

[Boofdatruth]

lol...i mean S.R.R....sugar ray robinson....lol.........and belittled with 2t's.......lol...............

[Dirt E Gomez]

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Apparently you completely, 100% misinterpreted my post then. SRR is the best fighter of all time, if that helps you out.

I was insulting him for saying you should match up Roy Jone Junior against SRR... know why? Because Roy would absolutely destroy him, not necessarily because of skill, but because he outweighs him by a metric **** ton.

I'd say for a man of your age it's probably too late in the game for me to suggest you get an education to boost your reading comprehension.

[black.ink]

What if fighters of the 'old days' had today's training methods and only fought 2-3 times a year like todays fighters?

That is why fantasy match-ups are pointless. The likes of SRR and Ali would excel in any era given the fact that they will be training/boxing like the current crop.

Also, what if the likes of Floyd and RJJ were to be pitted against the boxers of yester-year in their respected era using their training regimes and boxing upto 8+ fights a year? How would they fair then? I'm not so sure Floyd could hang with the likes of SRR for long do you? Keeping in mind the depth of boxers in each division and the fact that there were fewer weight-classes...and some Welterweights of the old were pretty big of todays standards.

That is why Boxing of 'old' and todays boxing should be kept apart.

Also, the likes of Floyd and RJJ will go down as History's greats. Give it 15-20 years and people will be talking of these two as the likes of SRL and Duran get talked about today.

[duffgun]

Andrew Golota would probably KO Joe Louis. That doesn't mean Louis is overrated. It means people are larger now, and steroids happen, and so do advanced training methods, better equipment, nutrition, etc.

No way would golota beat Louis even with a big size advantage. You no what i think is that these big giant heavyweight are seriously overrated by some.

[El Chicano]

Fighters like Joe Calzaghe and Floyd Mayweather. They gotta be the most unjustified P4P fighters in history.

[ferocity]

Muhammad Ali murders ALL present heavyweights

Floyd Mayweather Jr. beats up an Alexis Arguello

Aaron Pryor KTFO Zab judah

Salvador Sanchez destroys Nazeem Hamed

RJJ beats Carlos Monzon


*Overating is overrated

I don't see Jones beating Monzon. Not when Monzon fights tall and has one hell of a punch and can fight on the inside. But then again i have seen much of him so im just talking ****. But from what i seen and from the respect Jones gave to Hopkins, Jones would be timid against Monzon. But its all up to debate and im not one to really know of Monzon but just from what i've seen here and there.

Truly great fighters would have been great in any era. Give them modern diets, medication, and training to go with their skills and they would excel now too.

Exactly. Kid Gavillan man that guy could hang in any era not the biggest punch but tons of heart and skills.

guys, if you are still online20-25 years from now, and the champs you know now are belittled by posters like you 20-25 years later........can you picture someone saying imagine dlh thinking he can get with frank future.........and floyd, johnny knockout would've kill floyd......and cotto.....man cotto couldn't hold an arm to willie brutal.......what are you going to do.?......lol...............you will tell those guys/gals how good dlh, floyd, and cotto were right....?........you guys sound like young guys showing no respect for the older fighters........i'm 38....not old at all..........and i know SSR could fight...pep....rocky marciano.....arguello, leonard...........ali.......and many other fighters.......just don't be surprised when your fighter is belitled in such a way you belittled the old timers..........lol........don't be suprised.............

You are speaking the truth.

What if fighters of the 'old days' had today's training methods and only fought 2-3 times a year like todays fighters?

That is why fantasy match-ups are pointless. The likes of SRR and Ali would excel in any era given the fact that they will be training/boxing like the current crop.

Also, what if the likes of Floyd and RJJ were to be pitted against the boxers of yester-year in their respected era using their training regimes and boxing upto 8+ fights a year? How would they fair then? I'm not so sure Floyd could hang with the likes of SRR for long do you? Keeping in mind the depth of boxers in each division and the fact that there were fewer weight-classes...and some Welterweights of the old were pretty big of todays standards.

That is why Boxing of 'old' and todays boxing should be kept apart.

Also, the likes of Floyd and RJJ will go down as History's greats. Give it 15-20 years and people will be talking of these two as the likes of SRL and Duran get talked about today.

Boxers who fight only 2-3 times a year is not a good thing i mean 2 is bad, 3 is fair. Fighters should fight more often but then again they are getting paid a lot of money.

No way would golota beat Louis even with a big size advantage. You no what i think is that these big giant heavyweight are seriously overrated by some.

People talk about Heavyweights and there size today. But there was this little heavyeweight who had the power of a lightweight named Chris Byrd and he excelled as a Heavyweight and he was a small heavyweight.

[The_Italian]

I believe that it is hard to compare fighters of the past from fighters of today.

they were different eras...

training, technique, athleticism knowledge (like the threadstarter pointed out) are much different today than they were 50-60-70 years ago.

Its evolution...forget about weighing in on the same day v. a day before...

that would make a big difference but its not what im talking about.

Im saying the fighters today are naturally BIGGER. the training today has changed a lot since the early days (well minus the basics like roadwork, etc.)

the nutrition itself is different as trainers, doctors, etc. are MUCH more knowledgable of what foods to each and how much; etc.

The technique has changed by leaps and bounds...

Its like that with any sport...
the athletes get STRONGER, FASTER, etc. over time.


Its not a 100% fair comparision to ask who would win? floyd or SRR?

because of the difference in eras...

if SRR was born in this time and training and fighting as a current fighter (given the talent he had back then) he's probably be twice the fighter he was...and if you put floyd back in SRR's era floyd wouldnt be as good as he is today.

you know what i mean?

i tend to stay out of threads that ask, "who wins roy jones or marciano?" because i dont feel like you can make a fair comparision.

Only fighters from the same era should be compared in terms of "who would win?" in my opinion.

[monkeyboy]

Also, the likes of Floyd and RJJ will go down as History's greats. Give it 15-20 years and people will be talking of these two as the likes of SRL and Duran get talked about today.

Yeah, EVERYONE will be watching the thrilling PBF/Hatton Fight in 20 years or Baldomir or DLH cause they were exciting like so many of Duran's. Sorry but destroying Gatti is not a singular, unrepeatable accomplishment.
And RJJ was exciting to watch but what were his legacy fights? Ruiz cause Ruiz was a mediocre heavyweight?

I'm being overly negative but these fighters in particular do not have any particular 'legacy' fights that will be watched for decades past because they were so exciting and challenging.
SRL and Duran are remembered far more because they clashed at their height of fame at great risk of losing. Then they had an INCREDIBLE fight. Also see;
Hearns/Hagler.
Ali/Forman.
and many many more.

RJJ and PBF are great fighters. I don't mean to imply they are not. But what have they done to transcend the medium?

[duffgun]

I believe that it is hard to compare fighters of the past from fighters of today.

they were different eras...

training, technique, athleticism knowledge (like the threadstarter pointed out) are much different today than they were 50-60-70 years ago.

Its evolution...forget about weighing in on the same day v. a day before...

that would make a big difference but its not what im talking about.

Im saying the fighters today are naturally BIGGER. the training today has changed a lot since the early days (well minus the basics like roadwork, etc.)

the nutrition itself is different as trainers, doctors, etc. are MUCH more knowledgable of what foods to each and how much; etc.

The technique has changed by leaps and bounds...

Its like that with any sport...
the athletes get STRONGER, FASTER, etc. over time.


Its not a 100% fair comparision to ask who would win? floyd or SRR?

because of the difference in eras...

if SRR was born in this time and training and fighting as a current fighter (given the talent he had back then) he's probably be twice the fighter he was...and if you put floyd back in SRR's era floyd wouldnt be as good as he is today.

you know what i mean?

i tend to stay out of threads that ask, "who wins roy jones or marciano?" because i dont feel like you can make a fair comparision.

Only fighters from the same era should be compared in terms of "who would win?" in my opinion.

What about floyd patterson he was faster than any one his size i have ever seen, and old fighters could go 15 rounds at a hard pace when some fighters today struggle to go 12 rounds im not overrating the old fighters but you can make a biased argument ever way.