why i think Cotto loses to Margarito

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  • Dynamite Kid
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    #11
    Originally posted by abadger
    Thats an exactly accurate assessment of the way that Margarito would win, if he wins. Like many, I can't pick this fight, and I actually want Margarito to win, but for the sake of argument I would suggest that there is no way Margarito is going to have it all his own way. Cotto, when he wants to be, is an extremely accurate, powerful and fast straight puncher and Margarito has throughout his career been very vulnerable to straight punches through the centre, often taking them flush in the face before he even notices they have been thrown. This was exactly how Santos was beating him before the stoppage. If Margarito is being hit regularly then he can't execute his plan, and how well Cotto exploits this, and how well Margarito avoids exposing himself will be key to this fight, I think.

    The bottom line for me is that it is going to come down to which of these two is the physically stronger man on the night, with the victor in that particular battle also winning the battle of who will be able to impose himself on his opponent most effectively. It will be a physical fight, fought at close range for the most part, because Cotto won't be able to keep his new 'boxing' tactics going down the stretch. It is going to be fascinating to see how it plays out.

    thanks for the positive feed back people

    Abadger i do realise that Cotto has a massive edge in speed here and he has vast variety of combinations & as u say Margarito does have a tendancy to get hit he does like to square himself up aswell

    i think its a given that Cotto loses if he stands infront of Margarito ,so it will more than likely come down to wether Cotto can keep it at long range Boxing on the back foot & keep it mid range When he does decide to stand with Margarito ,the problem with him fighting at mid range is if Margarito does catch him Cotto will not back up IMO ,will he stay at mid range when or if that happens or get ****** into a brawl

    however this fight plays out it is gonna be fascinating to watch ,i must say i would not be suprised to see a Cotto victory either though he is good counter puncher with fast hands who can mix it upstairs and downstairs he has a good punch selection ,he is tough & relentless ,he has more allround ability than Marg no doubt but will the styles & Cotto's lack of punch resistence play a part in this fight ? ,cant wait for this fight

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    • RichCCFC
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      #12
      My initial thought was Margarito would overwhelm Cotto and kill him, after some thinking and re watching fights I think Cotto will eak out a nerve racking decision.

      I watched how Clottey and Willias outboxed Marg and how Sebastian Andres Lujan did against Margarito with a very similar style to Cotto and I think Cotto can win a decision.

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      • Dynamite Kid
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        #13
        Originally posted by _Ricky_
        My initial thought was Margarito would overwhelm Cotto and kill him, after some thinking and re watching fights I think Cotto will eak out a nerve racking decision.

        I watched how Clottey and Willias outboxed Marg and how Sebastian Andres Lujan did against Margarito with a very similar style to Cotto and I think Cotto can win a decision.
        i would'nt argue with that Cotto could easily win this fight wether he will im not sure

        i think Williams workrate and height /range is what kept Marg at bay

        he did not look great against Clottey must admit but he did beat Clottey broken hand or not ,Clottey is a very good fighter aswell very underated

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        • Ras44
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          #14
          Originally posted by Terrible...
          why i think Cotto loses to Margarito

          Cotto cannot stand and trade with Margarito IMO, because allthough he has a greater variety of combos and and he has an edge in hand speed he will get hit if he stands infront of Margarito and as much as like Cotto i dont think he is as tough as Antonio Margarito ,Cotto can dish it out but if he stands infront of Marg he will have to absorb more punishment than he has been asked to do before in any of his fights ,he did stand with Shane Mosley for quite a few rounds but Mosley is an old fighter with shot reflexes that meant Cotto was able to land flush ,also Mosley boxed him from the centre of the ring Marg aint gonna do that

          Cotto likes to put rounds in the bank and get on his bike and why people think he is effective doing this im not sure he is as effective doing that i mean that was when Shane started to win rounds when Cotto started backing ,up i also think Mosley may have slightly hurt him on the ropes towards the end aswell when he was backing up, i thought N'dou caught him a couple of times towards the end of thier fight when he was backing up and lets not forget while Cotto has not been hurt recently he can be hurt as we all know ,he looked ready to go against Corley he was tottering up and down when Corley hit him he was on the deck how many times against Torres , a few people think Judah buckled his legs for a split second but i dont think he was badly hurt there but u get the picture

          he is gonna have to Box smart fight to get by Marg but sooner or later he is gonna get tired if he decides to Box and he will eventually become a more stationary target ,wether he wins enough early rounds with Marg coming on late in the fight and sqeeks a decison is a good possibility ,however i think Cotto's heart will be his undoing in this fight his macheezmo will take him where he dont wanna be IMO


          i would love Cotto to win though cause he is my favourite fighter today among the new superstars
          I somewhat agree. First, I think Cotto can stand and "trade" with Margarito, but it would be ill advised. First, Cotto is a more precise puncher; Margarito sometimes punches too wide. However, Cotto has been affected before by the uppercut (see Judah) and Margarito has a killer uppercut.

          I'm not betting on this fight because of Margarito's toughness. This is the toughest fairly talented WW in the division (and I say that because I don't consider Baldomir talented at all). He can pull off a victory with his chin and stamina. It appears he has better stamina than Cotto, but it's not a 10 to 5 advantage for Margarito; more like a 9.5 to 8.

          If Cotto can stand Margarito's power without going to the floor, his weak chin talk should cease (at least at 147). I don't know if he can withstand the pressure.

          Mosley, to me, is not an old shot fighter. In fact, I see him beating almost anyone in this talented division, with the exception of Cotto and an "on the bike" Mayweather. Mosley would kill Cintrón, Collazo (already did that), and is intelligent enough to box the ears off Margarito. Shame we couldn't see him against Judah.

          I hope Cotto wins, but I'm not betting on this one. If he wins and Mayweather keeps ducking him, I hope he beats Cintrón and makes him weep.

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          • Kilrain
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            As big and strong as Tony is, when you look at it Cotto is a far superior fighter. He is a superstar, and he has ironed out much of his faults at 140, looking above all stronger and sharper, also he is more of a rounded fighter nowadays where he used to make amatuerish mistakes in some of his earlier fights, like not being able to tie guys up when Torres was firing heavy artillery at him, shelling his ass for about 2 full rounds.. Margarito isn't a great fighter, simple fact is he is a good fighter, if he wasn't so damned big at the weight he would not be in the position I feel because he is simply able to grind a lot of guys down.

            Williams beat him with speed, rapidity and a bit of spark, Cotto has the ability to do the same. Tony really only has a punchers chance as far as I'm concerned, Cotto might even stop him on a bodyshot. A lot of people are saying Cotto going forward is a bad move, and it could lead to some brutal exchanges, but you cant just stand in front of Cotto either, when you're there to be hit you aint nothing but a punching bag for his speed and power,

            Cotto will win this fight and back Floyd into a corner

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            • muppetman
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              #16
              Originally posted by kilrain
              as Big And Strong As Tony Is, When You Look At It Cotto Is A Far Superior Fighter. He Is A Superstar, And He Has Ironed Out Much Of His Faults At 140, Looking Above All Stronger And Sharper, Also He Is More Of A Rounded Fighter Nowadays Where He Used To Make Amatuerish Mistakes In Some Of His Earlier Fights, Like Not Being Able To Tie Guys Up When Torres Was Firing Heavy Artillery At Him, Shelling His Ass For About 2 Full Rounds.. Margarito Isn't A Great Fighter, Simple Fact Is He Is A Good Fighter, If He Wasn't So Damned Big At The Weight He Would Not Be In The Position I Feel Because He Is Simply Able To Grind A Lot Of Guys Down.

              Williams Beat Him With Speed, Rapidity And A Bit Of Spark, Cotto Has The Ability To Do The Same. Tony Really Only Has A Punchers Chance As Far As I'm Concerned, Cotto Might Even Stop Him On A Bodyshot. A Lot Of People Are Saying Cotto Going Forward Is A Bad Move, And It Could Lead To Some Brutal Exchanges, But You Cant Just Stand In Front Of Cotto Either, When You're There To Be Hit You Aint Nothing But A Punching Bag For His Speed And Power,

              Cotto Will Win This Fight And Back Floyd Into A Corner
              williams Didnt Beat Tony Tony Beat Up Williams.....williams Beat Tonys Gloves Up!!!!!lol..... Im Just Telling The Truth!!!williams Did Everything In The Book To Survive ....holding And Running Most The Time Unless He Was Hitting Tonys Gloves.......he Didnt Win That Fight.....i Watch That Fight All The Time And To Tell You The Truth I Didnt Even Know Tony Knew How To Block Punches ......untill I Saw How Many Punches Were Blocked In That Fight!!!

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              • PRp4p757
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                #17
                honestly you make very valid points, and you are right that if the fight goes down the way you say cotto can lose. that being said i just cant see it happening because i think cotto has too much skill for tony. but that is my opinion and no matter what happens im sure it will be a great fight and an even better night for the sport of boxing.

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                • MANGLER
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                  #18
                  Glad to see some objectivity in this post. As I've said before, I'm a fan of both guys and hate to see either lose, but I've always felt Tony would win the fight. He knows he can't win a boxing match wit him, so he'll force a war on Cotto. That means hit and be hit over and over until 1 man is left standin. It's a dangerous game plan but one he can get away wit cuz he's bigger than Cotto, has a higher workrate, more endurance, and a superior chin. I don't see him dominatin one sidedly, and it's definitely a winnable fight for Cotto too, at least by points. But I just don't think Tony's gonna be denied on this one. Can't wait to see the fight. We'll have a real WW champion come July 26.

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                  • DeymarPR
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                    #19
                    How do u think Marg is tougher is what I want to know, to me Cotto proved he was tougher in other fights, against N'dou, Pinto, Corley,Torres,Judah,Mosley...taking big shots, coming up from the canvas to defeat or ko the opponent....name some fights where Marg showed more toughness than that (dont bring up kerm or johnson, kerm was over hyped n johnson is a bum)
                    Cotto is not Malignaggi, don't sit there and say Cotto can't KO Margarito because that would be a dumb comment
                    Time will fly by, July will be here soon I call it Cotto by late TKO
                    Last edited by DeymarPR; 06-04-2008, 07:59 AM.

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                    • WetSexyLlamaPR
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                      #20
                      Definition of a pick em fight. I keep switching up on who I think will win as well. Hope Cotto wins and wins big so Mayweather will have no choice but to face him. PS A respectful thread on Cotto-Marg without waves of nuthuggers on both sides? I'm shocked.
                      Last edited by WetSexyLlamaPR; 06-04-2008, 08:34 AM.

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