MMA promotes to americans, Boxing promotes nationality/race

[WLAD OWNS]

I disagree. I bet you anything that if the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world was american there would be water cooler convos about boxing at your office. Kelly Pavlik is quickly becoming the next great white hope. The guy keeps coming back and knocking fools out after being downed himself by guys like miranda and taylor. If he keeps getting dramatic wins like that he'll be the closest thing to a real life rocky balboa

Pavlik great white hope? lol....Pavlik is the undefeated, undisputed middleweight champion of the world....Pavlik aint no Cooney,Morrison great white hope, he's the real deal.

[shadeyfizzle]

I dont think pavlik is a white hope, hes legit, he doesnt need to be a "hope" because hes basically already there. One thing i will say is that pavlik gets pretty good mainstream attention certainly.

You are right about the heavyweight champion thing, however, i dont even see a real undisputed heavyweight king right now let alone an american one.

You're right but the appeal is there. Boxing just simply isnt working with the same tools as mma. MMA mimics real street combat situations and there's enough variables in a real brawl that you can pull a random tough guy off the streets that just loves to fight like kimbo and become an instant badass in the cage. Cant do that with boxing. Fighters have to be educated and developed. The US digs MMA and kimbo because the US is all about instant gratification. That's why every frat boy with half a brain and thinks he's tough thinks he can step in a cage and be an immediate contender.

[shadeyfizzle]

Pavlik great white hope? lol....Pavlik is the undefeated, undisputed middleweight champion of the world....Pavlik aint no Cooney,Morrison great white hope, he's the real deal.

Im well aware of what Pavlik is. The point was that the average american does not know. And they will continue not knowing until he pulls a win out of his ass from adversity against an international superstar like a hatton or calzaghe

[Live Dog]

Cung Le fights out of san jose, you cant count him.

I think you are missing my point, crossover appeal happens in MMA with ethnic stars because they dont promote them exclusibvely to their cultural fanbase in america, they cross promote them as faces of the sport, as opposed to faces of their country first.

Izzy Vazquez fights out of L.A., would you not count him???

In all honesty I think the conclusions you have drawn are completely inaccurate.

[Live Dog]

Mayweather supporters on this site are mostly white suburban kids who think 50 Cent is Jesus!
Cotto has a lot of Mexican fans on the site too.. but for the most part I agree with your statements.

Jesus would not have survived being shot 9 times....

[ElGranLuchador]

well most good americans boxers are black
but if u put ppvs like "black fury" or "african glory" u will sound racist, so there goes the idea of appealing to americans
ur wrong dude mma is not succesful because it promotes to americans its succesful because its a more brutal and entertaining sport, imo if every boxing match ended in a knockout it would be much more succesful than mma

[El Jesus]

Izzy Vazquez fights out of L.A., would you not count him???

In all honesty I think the conclusions you have drawn are completely inaccurate.

I have drawn the same conclusion and i concede you are right.