Sam Peter: "If Vitali Can't Fight, I Want Wladimir"

[Derranged]

Actually he was 38 going 39. Anyway don't fool yourself thinking Wlad will fight for nearly as long, he'll prolly retire before that, and we will say in all fairness to you he was kicked out by Haye or whoever.

And about Lennox, he retired on the right time. It's hard to be taken seriously when you say Vita retired Lewis when he, Vitali was stopped by TKO. How far up his ass do you have to be? I mean, Lewis had a terrible performance but have no doubt that resulted almost exclusively of the 1 year layoff, age and number of fights, it had little to do with what Vitali did. He still won by TKO age 38 and coming from a 1 year layoff. You look really ****** bashing a legend like that especially when you know your boy Wlad (or Vitali) won't be around nearly as long to allow a young lion a chance like Lewis did.

In all fairness, Wladimir has over 50 pro fights and he's only 32. Thats unusual for a contempory HW.

[Leo Pradun]

It will happen if Vitali cant make it but not the same date as Vitali Peter are scheduled to fight

[!!Captain]

I understand your points, but Lewis was putting as much pressure on the cut as he could, with both fists and head. The cut was under control, and there was no damage to his eye, it was his eyebrow which was cut, or torn.

The "famous" picture that anti-Klitschko-ites love to show, with pieces of lint sticking around K's eyebrow, (done of course AFTER the fight had ended) and blood trickling down from the two superficial cuts under the eye, SHOW that Klitschko's eye was WIDE OPEN, and he had NO eye problems. It was tough luck for him since he was well on his way to victory in another round or two the most..........

The doctor made a mistake and tried to excuse it later by saying that Klitschko couldn't open his eyelid., and had to lift his head to see him. Weeeelllll.....naturally he had to lift his head since the doctor was standing right over him, a few inches away, and Klitschko's eye was at the level of the doctors' belly button. Personally I believe that Klitschko, who's English was VERY poor then (not much better now) and under stress, with the huge hubbub as the cornermen were doing their work, actually either didn't hear the doctor or didn't understand what he said. Because HIS EYE WAS WIDE OPEN.

It was the nitwit George Foreman who suddenly started bawling "his eye is BaaaaD... he can't see, he has only one eye ....etc. when nothing was further than the truth. Tough luck when the title was within his grasp. For me to keep talking about it is "flogging a dead horse".

I always thought that the doctor stopped the fight because they couldn't stop the bleeding from the cut over the eye and it was blood that was obstructing the view. I could be wrong, I'll have to re-watch the fight again.

[edgarg]

I always thought that the doctor stopped the fight because they couldn't stop the bleeding from the cut over the eye and it was blood that was obstructing the view. I could be wrong, I'll have to re-watch the fight again.

Yours is the most reasonable answer I've yet had. I've discussed this on other threads too. It always comes up. Some regard me as a *** although I always quote facts. The eyebrow was O.K., the minor scratches UNDER the eye were bleeding, but no problem, and he had a small "mouse" in the same place, under the eye. If his face had been mopped with a damp cloth, it would have looked O.K. Even if it looked bad, it wouldn't affect his performance, since his eye was wide open. He actually won the 6th round, and maybe the 5th too. I gave him all the rounds except the 3rd when he was cut, which I scored even. The judges had it 4-2 all 3 agreeing.

To go a little further, the doctor later gave another explanation. This was that the eyebrow cut might have severed the nerves operating the eyelid. This was as dubious as the first reason he gave. I checked the nerve paths and the cut was between, and even if it had worsened, which it showed NO SIGN of doing, it would not have affected the nerves. As you'll see Klitschko was distraught at the stoppage, and his very poor English nearly failed him.

[Naps]

peter is a true warrior who wants to fight the best. we need more fighters like him in boxing. all he cares about is getting the knockout.

Amen brother.

[Stickman]

I understand your points, but Lewis was putting as much pressure on the cut as he could, with both fists and head. The cut was under control, and there was no damage to his eye, it was his eyebrow which was cut, or torn.

The "famous" picture that anti-Klitschko-ites love to show, with pieces of lint sticking around K's eyebrow, (done of course AFTER the fight had ended) and blood trickling down from the two superficial cuts under the eye, SHOW that Klitschko's eye was WIDE OPEN, and he had NO eye problems. It was tough luck for him since he was well on his way to victory in another round or two the most..........

The doctor made a mistake and tried to excuse it later by saying that Klitschko couldn't open his eyelid., and had to lift his head to see him. Weeeelllll.....naturally he had to lift his head since the doctor was standing right over him, a few inches away, and Klitschko's eye was at the level of the doctors' belly button. Personally I believe that Klitschko, who's English was VERY poor then (not much better now) and under stress, with the huge hubbub as the cornermen were doing their work, actually either didn't hear the doctor or didn't understand what he said. Because HIS EYE WAS WIDE OPEN.

It was the nitwit George Foreman who suddenly started bawling "his eye is BaaaaD... he can't see, he has only one eye ....etc. when nothing was further than the truth. Tough luck when the title was within his grasp. For me to keep talking about it is "flogging a dead horse".

Had I been the doctor I might've given him another round, but then I'm not actually a doctor. Problem (at least one of the problems) with huge gaping cuts like that isn't that the cut itself is dangerous, but that the skin is open, leaving the muscles that control eye movement far more vulnerable to damage or destruction. Having had some experience with that, I can tell you that it was probably pretty wise to stop it when he did. I caught a piece of shrapnel on my left eyebrow overseas, years ago and it had to be repaird, still isn't quite right. Not quite the same, I know, but the basic principle is.

[Stickman]

Oh, and on the topic:

Wlad would probably KO Peter this time, early I think. He had him figured out pretty good by the middle of that fight and was landing at will by the 8th or so. If he remembers him well enough, he'll probably have time to put Peter on his ass by the 5th.

Vitali, though, is a ****ing animal, and would be eating Peter's raw liver by the 3rd. He's about the only person in the world I don't think I'd want to spar with. Or at least not until after I bought him an expensive bottle of Vodka and made good, good buddies with him.

[Jim Jeffries]

Oh, and on the topic:

Wlad would probably KO Peter this time, early I think. He had him figured out pretty good by the middle of that fight and was landing at will by the 8th or so. If he remembers him well enough, he'll probably have time to put Peter on his ass by the 5th.

Vitali, though, is a ****ing animal, and would be eating Peter's raw liver by the 3rd. He's about the only person in the world I don't think I'd want to spar with. Or at least not until after I bought him an expensive bottle of Vodka and made good, good buddies with him.

I agree, Peter was eating up those straight rights from Wlad without much problem, but in the 12th when Wlad caught him with a left hook, Sam was on ***** street. I would like to see Vitali fight at least one more time, just hope that the long layoff doesn't hurt him too much.

[!!Captain]

Oh, and on the topic:

Wlad would probably KO Peter this time, early I think. He had him figured out pretty good by the middle of that fight and was landing at will by the 8th or so. If he remembers him well enough, he'll probably have time to put Peter on his ass by the 5th.

Vitali, though, is a ****ing animal, and would be eating Peter's raw liver by the 3rd. He's about the only person in the world I don't think I'd want to spar with. Or at least not until after I bought him an expensive bottle of Vodka and made good, good buddies with him.

I agree, Peter was eating up those straight rights from Wlad without much problem, but in the 12th when Wlad caught him with a left hook, Sam was on ***** street. I would like to see Vitali fight at least one more time, just hope that the long layoff doesn't hurt him too much.

The way Vitali fights and leans back when he sees a shot would give Peter tremendous problems. Vitali's jab is, IMO, better than Wlad's. It's not faster but it's a lot more powerful. Added with Peter's usually poor conditioning and telegraphing punches, Peter would be exhausted by 6-7 round and would become an easy target for Vitali. As long as Vitali makes it to the fight and is at least 75% of his old self in terms of conditioning and fighter mentality, Peter is going to go home with another L on his record, both of them handed to him by 2-times HW champions, the Klitchko brothers.

[MWMerlino]

Why are all these Klitschko fan boys looking past the facts to defend their idols?

Fact: Vitali vs Lennox ended with a stoppage due to cuts sustained by Vitali. A professional determined that the fight should be stopped, and regardless of how bad you think Lennox looked he must not have been doing too poorly. None of you are in a position to pull pictures of the fight from the internet and argue against the knowledge and experience of the doctor.

Fact: Samuel Peter scored three knockdowns against Wladmir.

Fact: Wladmir could not knock out boxing's version of Barney Rubble, but did succeed in putting everyone in attendance to sleep.

Wladmir reigns over a boring and sloppy HW era. One in which fans are more excited to watch the Valuev and Tye Fields sideshow.