Miguel Cotto: "If Mayweather Don't Want Me, It Doesn't Matter"

[deevel79]

you haven't been seeing anything....lol........just seeing what you want to see..........even merchant said he thinks floyd will not retire, and fight the winner in the fall or early next year....and merchant is notorious for telling a fighter who he thinks they are ducking.........and they begged cotto to say something after the gomez fight.........only cotto fans........they have to lie to make a point.........let me see........i asked hows many pfp fighter cotto has faced and how did cotto get to fight for his title.........and so far..........i've gotten no answer..............

U keep repeating that they couldnt get Cotto to mention Floyd's name during post fight interviews. How about Floyd. Didnt Larry Merchant practically beg Floyd for an answer on if he was planning to fight Cotto? What was Floyd's response? Look for yourself........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THgKmr46VZM

[Boofdatruth]

End of thread!!

Mayweather vs. Arum: Business Very Personal

26.04.08 - By Michael Herron (M.I.C.): In the world of boxing, styles make fights, dollars make sense, and business is never personal. Well maybe the first two statements are true but as for the latter it appears that promoters and fighters have made business more personal than ever. How often do we read the latest headlines only to see that Golden Boy Promotions wont work with Top Rank, or Don King won’t work with Bob Arum, or Mayweather Promotions refuses to do business with DKP and Top Rank etc…Are these simply business decisions gone wrong, or are there indeed some very personal issues preventing desirable match-ups from happening? What is apparent is that these disputes seem to be heightened when it comes to Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Bob Arum.

Fortunately for boxing fans, Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions and Bob Arum’s Top Rank Promotions have “momentarily” settled their differences. As a result, great match-ups like Cotto vs. Mosley, Pacquiao vs. Barrera II, and Pacquiao vs. Marquez II have taken place. The disputes between De La Hoya and his former promoter seem to have finally been cleared away; the question that remains, however, is can Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Bob Arum make a similar agreement and give the fans the fights they want to see?

Arum’s recent comments at the Cotto/Gomez post-fight presser suggests that there is no progress being made between the two. His tirade included negative remarks such as, “Mayweather was a great fighter but is not a fighter anymore; that he didn’t deserve to be fighter of the year in 2007, that the media encourages his bad behavior like throwing money around in clubs and yelling F-Bombs.” Arum also asserted that “Mayweather is not good for the sport and after seeing Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto tonight, that he (out of fear) has probably taken a ticket to Mars.” In one aspect, Arum is simply promoting his two fighters and hyping their upcoming bout, but in another, he is clearly launching a smear campaign against Mayweather. These types of remarks do not bode well for future business and contractual agreements between their companies. In short, the comments were disrespectful and are guaranteed to set a potential Mayweather vs. Cotto fight back a few years, or even worse, prevent it from happening at all!

The source of the dispute stems from Mayweather’s time as a Top Rank fighter. Tim Smith from the Daily-News chronicles the initial fallout, contractual buyout, and eventual lawsuits filed between the two camps. Some of the finer points include:

Mayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting.
"There's no question we owe him some money," Arum said. "There's no dispute there. But he owes us a lot of money, and the people he's involved with owe us even more. After 98% of the money we owed him was paid, we stopped paying him for a reason.

"We're owed ... in the millions. We welcome this lawsuit. We wanted it to be filed. We have counterclaims and cross claims against certain other individuals involved with Mayweather.”

Arum and Mayweather parted ways in 2006 after Mayweather paid $750,000 to buy out his contract. That was triggered by Arum's refusal to guarantee Mayweather $20 million to fight Oscar De La Hoya, another Top Rank client, who successfully sued Arum to get out of his contract in 2001.

Mayweather believes that Arum stymied his career during the time that he was promoting both Mayweather and De La Hoya (from 1996-2001).

With the facts laid out so well, it is unnecessary to embellish the data. It is evident their dispute rages as a result of unresolved legal issues; money that is owed, fights that weren’t made, and respect that has been lost. Despite Arum’s attempt to sway public opinion, the data clearly disproves his claim that Mayweather is somehow “fearful” and is “ducking” Miguel Cotto. If anything, Mayweather is asserting his independence and is showing confidence in his newly acquired ability to do business with his interest, not Top Rank’s in mind.

As part of his smear campaign against Floyd, Arum often states that “Mayweather does not want to fight Cotto,” but he never quite confirms that “Cotto wants to fight Mayweather.” A better question would be does Arum truly want Mayweather to fight Cotto? If so, why hasn’t he made Floyd and offer? The 8 million dollar offer to fight Antonio Margarito in 2006 is well documented but where are the 10-20 million dollar proposals to fight Cotto? Could it be that Arum realizes the match-up is a potential lose-lose situation for Top Rank? Is the risk worth the reward? Mayweather will certainly gear all the pre-fight negotiations in his favor--from the money split, to the size of the ring, gloves, weight, location, etc...Also, it’s expected that Mayweather will not give Arum any options on future fights. Finally, if Cotto is soundly defeated, Top Rank loses their top prospect. His unblemished record will be gone, his aura of invincibility gone, and depending on how badly he is defeated, his market value will depreciate.

Knowing that he won’t get the upper hand at the negotiation table, Arum has resulted to insulting, criticizing, and feeding the fans “fearful” nonsense about Mayweather. It should be noted that he utilized these same tactics when De La Hoya left him in 2001. The role reversals have obviously been chipping away at his ego. According to Mayweather’s advisor Leonard Ellerbe, Arum’s “a bitter old man because Floyd outsmarted him,” the evidence suggest that this may be true. So as the flame war continues, it appears this very personal business battle will rage on indefinitely. It took Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank years to work together and it may likewise be the same with Mayweather Promotions. What is unmistakable however is that De La Hoya left Arum and has thrived, Mayweather left Arum and has thrived; would it be ironic if Cotto ultimately did the same? “The world awaits.”

boof says: naw dun...........this isn't the end of the thread..........i'm going to keep informing you uninformed fans the truth.........

[Bad_Barracuda]

Sad but true. You will never believe how deep your girl will take Cotto in her guts behind your back... Deeeeeeeep. Arched brows and all. You are def. a hater.

You'll never beleive how deep your mother would let Floyd in her red-hot Boriqua booty..Black skin..arrogance..and all..

[Boofdatruth]

U keep repeating that they couldnt get Cotto to mention Floyd's name during post fight interviews. How about Floyd. Didnt Larry Merchant practically beg Floyd for an answer on if he was planning to fight Cotto? What was Floyd's response? Look for yourself........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THgKmr46VZM

everything you have posted..........i have heard about.........floyd has not called cotto out, nor has cotto called floyd out.........you keep insinuating floyd is scared of cotto when cotto has never said he thinks floyd is scared of him..........lol.........it's in the article you posted..........lol.........

[Brassangel]

@boof*******: He posted that because you, and other Floyd defenders have repeatedly asked, "When has Cotto called out Floyd?"

Well, he's insulted his fight selections, he's claimed he can beat him, he claims Floyd has weaknesses which he can exploit, he claims Floyd runs from the top fights (from a competitive standpoint), need we go on? Simply saying things like, "When has Floyd ever [insert a very specific quotation for the sake of conveniently dodging the question]?"

Floyd doesn't say anything in that article because, like his fans, he can't answer questions that don't involve money.

He is afraid to fight the best. Period.

When asked on ESPN,
"Why choose to fight De La Hoya again instead of Miguel Cotto?"

Floyd: "Come on now," makes money sign with right hand, "I've gotta get paid!"

Miguel Cotto will fight anybody. Floyd admitted to taking a fight for money over fighting the tougher challenger. He refuses to face tougher competition if there's not as much money involved. That is proof of his fear of losing. He doesn't care about his legacy. He cares about his bank. He is not a true, fighting champion. Just because he's been given the #1 p4p ranking (which won't last much longer, mind you), doesn't mean he's earned the right to fight has-beens, smaller men, and run his mouth without backing it up.

[supremelygifted]

A couple body shots from Cotto will destroy Mayweather

As long as he doesn't get frustrated like Hatton he could probably win

Yeah right! Hatton didn't lose because he was frustrated. Hatton lost because he couldn't solve Floyds game. Cotto is a shorter version of Diego Corrales. He's going to attempt to stalk and put pressure on Floyd and you saw what he did to Corrales. Most of you probably didn't that fight because you didn't know either fighter before they became famous. There is not a fighter out here today that Floyd hasn't seen in the form of another fighter. The exception could be Margarito or Williams.

[deevel79]

everything you have posted..........i have heard about.........floyd has not called cotto out, nor has cotto called floyd out.........you keep insinuating floyd is scared of cotto when cotto has never said he thinks floyd is scared of him..........lol.........it's in the article you posted..........lol.........

U keep insinuating that all Cotto has to do is call Floyd out in order for Floyd to take the fight, when in reality, Floyd has never made such a claim. Funny how Cotto was able to land all of his fights thus far without calling any of them out. Does that mean that Cotto was also scared of Judah, Quintana, Mosley, Margarito? He didnt call those guys out, yet the fights got made.

[LOLORSKATES]

Mayweather responded with:

I want you to want me.
I need you to need me.
Id love you to love me.
Im beggin you to beg me.

I want you to want me.
I need you to need me.
Id love you to love me.
Ill shine up the old brown shoes, put on a brand-new shirt.
Ill get home early from work if you say that you love me.

Didnt i, didnt i, didnt I see you cryin?
Oh, didnt i, didnt i, didnt I see you cryin?
Feelin all alone without a friend, you know you feel like dyin.
Oh, didnt i, didnt i, didnt I see you cryin?

This is actually my ringtone song LOL

[Boofdatruth]

@ boof*******: Why.......so..........many......periods........... .....?

I have noticed one common theme in this thread, and any relating to the Cotto vs. Mayweather matchup: Mayweather fans talk and talk and talk and talk and do their very best to sound like their hero. Cotto fans wait it out, allowing the Mayweather fans to look as dumb as their favorite. Cotto's fists do the talking.

One things that stands out to me is that while Mayweather is the #1 p4p boxer in the world, he's not the #1 Welterweight in the world. Yes, that is a possible paradox. Why? Because he refuses to fight anyone in that division. He refuses to take on one of the deepest and most talented divisions in the history of the sport. He fought Judah....good for him. He won't fight Mosley, he won't fight Margarito, and he won't fight Cotto until he has absolutely no other choice left besides retiring.

Nobody with half of a brain thinks Mayweather is the #1 Welterweight. Cotto and Margarito are #1 and #2. I think that if Mayweather wants any part of that claim, he has to beat the loser of the Cotto vs. Margarito matchup, and then face the winner. The challenger calls out the champ right? Well, those two guys are defeating everyone in that division. Mayweather keeps taking fights with everyone else.

Mayweather has never been willing to fight anybody. boof*******, your claim that Floyd turned down Margarito because he wasn't the mandatory challenger is only further digging a hole. Why doesn't Floyd take on any of the Welterweight challengers then? He won't. He will fight De La Hoya, and Hatton, and anything that presents cash but no challenge.

You have stated that people need to call Floyd out to get a fight, and yet you have provided excuses for why he won't accept the call outs. Hatton never actually called him out, but you think he did by stating something similar to a call out. What about Cotto saying, "if he's next, then I'll fight him," and, "I'll fight whoever is put in front of me," or even, "I don't need Floyd."??? Why in the world is that not the same as calling him boring as did Hatton? If it's disrespect Floyd wants to make the fight, he's gotten it in Spades from Cotto. Cotto considers Mayweather insignificant. He's being the quiet assassin while Mayweather dances and does Wrestlemania. Nobody called him out on that program, by the way.

He's been disrespected, called out by the people who make the fights for Cotto, but he's not answering; except with excuses. Many of which have been posted here, but are conveniently ignored by Mayweather fans. Floyd can't answer an honest question, and niether can his fans. Both are experts at ducking the storm in front of them.

Mayweather does need Cotto. Mayweather's legacy will always be in question for never fighting Cotto (or Margs for that matter). While Cotto's, even if he loses down the road, will never be in question because he takes on the best in his division without a fuss over money. The amount of money means nothing compared to respect, and where you stand when the dust clears of the debate of all-time greats. Nobody remembers Muhammad Ali because he made more money than any other heavyweight up to the end of his career. Nobody remembers Ray Robinson for the money he made. Nobody remembers Marvin Hagler, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Thomas Hearns, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, none of them because of the money they made. Win or lose, they took on the best of their day, the best of their division.

Cotto will be remembered before Mayweather by the boxing fans for simply being great at what he does.

The more Mayweather runs his mouth, the ******er he looks. Cotto knows this, and is playing this game perfectly.

a good post........subjective......but good..........you're just another cotto fan who thinks the world of their fighter.....i don't mind....but..............you don't have a title.......and you don't box on their level.........i'm not sure if you know the situation of Arum, floyd, cotto and margs....but it is bad..........the thing is......these 3(margs, cotto and floyd)guys can all still fight each other......all are in their prime.....we just have to wait for now..................but cotto fans would rather call a guy scared.......but cotto has not faced a pfp fighter....floyd has...........does anyone know how cotto got his title shot???????........i do.......i'm not sure cotto fans do.........see, had baldomir never been stripped........cotto would be waiting in line for a shot.........you would probably still be screaming floyd is scared to fight cotto........lol.........

[Boofdatruth]

@boof*******: He posted that because you, and other Floyd defenders have repeatedly asked, "When has Cotto called out Floyd?"

Well, he's insulted his fight selections, he's claimed he can beat him, he claims Floyd has weaknesses which he can exploit, he claims Floyd runs from the top fights (from a competitive standpoint), need we go on? Simply saying things like, "When has Floyd ever [insert a very specific quotation for the sake of conveniently dodging the question]?"

Floyd doesn't say anything in that article because, like his fans, he can't answer questions that don't involve money.

He is afraid to fight the best. Period.

When asked on ESPN,
"Why choose to fight De La Hoya again instead of Miguel Cotto?"

Floyd: "Come on now," makes money sign with right hand, "I've gotta get paid!"

Miguel Cotto will fight anybody. Floyd admitted to taking a fight for money over fighting the tougher challenger. He refuses to face tougher competition if there's not as much money involved. That is proof of his fear of losing. He doesn't care about his legacy. He cares about his bank. He is not a true, fighting champion. Just because he's been given the #1 p4p ranking (which won't last much longer, mind you), doesn't mean he's earned the right to fight has-beens, smaller men, and run his mouth without backing it up.

nobody knows that cotto has called floyd out.............maybe diehard boxing fans......but not the public.............you see........everyone knows floyd........nobody knows cotto........me, you and hardcore fight fans want to see this fight........attracting those other fans is the key.........you can talk about what floyd has said in the past..........for every retraction you post about floyd..........i can do the same for cotto......you better worry about margs..........if he loses to margs..........i'm going to come here and !@$#@!$ all over cotto fans........lol.........