Joke Calzaghe is Not a P4P Level Fighter

[Dynamite Kid]

Absolutely. 100% fact

and Pavlik is i take it

[T-97]

Yes, i have only recently really realised these things fully. I like Calzaghe, I think he is good. But he should have foguth people earlier..

The whole RJJ thing was crazy....they wanted Roy to go to Wales..

I still like him though

[1g5a22]

u guys slate people for there arguments yet the best you can do is come up with overused cliches and totally unoriginal statements like he beat washed up fighters,he was overrated,he was old etc etc

your so predictable its quite frankly transparent,if americans hate him that much why is there a thread,eubank and hopkins are two of the most awkward fighters of recent years,chris was only 31 for christ sake wait till he beats jones in cardifff,,"yah but roy was old" etc etc well guess what so is calzaghe.

[Nicky_Hatton]

I find comfort in the fact that you can't debate my valid points. Calzaghe is the most overrated fighter in boxing today...

Mate I Never said I didn't agree with you, I'm just saying give it a rest.

[mojack]

As much as the Brits like to believe otherwise, Calzaghe is just not an elite fighter. Here are the top 5 wins of his career:

-Hopkins: Barely beat a washed up fighter who is 43-years-old and a good 7 years past his prime. Watch the Hopkins that beat Trinidad and the one that fought Taylor and Calzaghe and the difference is clear.

-Kessler: A solid, but clearly unproven fighter. Much like Calzaghe, he has built up his record in one of the weakest divisions in one of boxing. He is just as unproven as Calzaghe.

-Lacy: Overhyped. The only reason people thought Lacy had a chance is because Calzaghe hadn't fought anyone of note at this point.

-Eubank: Another washed up name that was way past his prime, much like Hopkins.

-Reid: Solid contender, but certainly not world class. He was the victim of a gift decision in Calzaghe's favor.


I'm sorry, this resume does not scream P4P to me. After such a long career, Calzaghe is still roughly unproven as an elite fighter because he has refused to fight a proven, elite fighter in his prime. When people talk about this guy, they mainly talk about who he COULD beat, not who he has actually beaten. They talk about the guy as if he's still a prospect because his resume is utter garbage.

On top of that, he will only take a risky fight if it's in his hometown. Back when RJJ was in his prime, he wouldn't travel to the US to make the fight. Now that RJJ is washed up, he's more than willing to consider the fight because RJJ would have to go to the UK for it to happen. The Lacy and Kessler fights don't happen if they didn't agree to fight on Calzaghe's turf.

Joke Calzaghe is just not a P4P level fighter...

Ok give me a good example of a top P4P level fighter?

Mayweather? Hopkins even?

Hopkins got a gift against Winky and his best work has been against guys moving way up (bloated fighters) while mayweather just fights the most vulnerable money making fighters and dodges the rest.

At the end of the day if Calzaghe went out and beat Pavlik and Roy Jones both in the same ring at the sametime you would still get one eyed biased yank (just like the person who's created this thread) not happy with their resume.

Calzaghe is P4P....how? the logic is very simple....very very simple, nobody currently at this moment in time has the tools to beat Calzaghe, it's as simple as that. I'm sorry if it's not what you wanted to hear, and don't give me all this Roy Jones will beat him bull**** or even Pavlik...it ain't gonna happen.
Just accept it.
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properties Pattaya

[K-Nan]

Please breakdown Mayweather's resume and tell me how he's not P4P worthy, let alone worthy of the top spot...

By the sheer fact that you called Mikkel Kessler "unproven", I could do this:

Corrales: Unproven

Castillo: Unproven

Judah: Declining as a fighter, coming off of an upset loss.

Hatton: Protected Euro bum who had only beaten a shot Tzsyu.

Oh, and remember how you tossed out anybody who was remotely aged as a legitimate win? Yeah:

Gatti: Shot

Delahoya: Past his prime

Hernandez: Shot

DISCLAIMER: I don't really believe any of this. I'm just using it to make a point about the validity of Sin's argument. You can break a record down like that for any fighter. Even the best in the world.

[mojack]

By the sheer fact that you called Mikkel Kessler "unproven", I could do this:

Corrales: Unproven

Castillo: Unproven

Judah: Declining as a fighter, coming off of an upset loss.

Hatton: Protected Euro bum who had only beaten a shot Tzsyu.

Oh, and remember how you tossed out anybody who was remotely aged as a legitimate win? Yeah:

Gatti: Shot

Delahoya: Past his prime

Hernandez: Shot

DISCLAIMER: I don't really believe any of this. I'm just using it to make a point about the validity of Sin's argument. You can break a record down like that for any fighter. Even the best in the world.

Amen to that brother! Amen to that!
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Prilosec Lawsuites

[Guest]

u guys slate people for there arguments yet the best you can do is come up with overused cliches and totally unoriginal statements like he beat washed up fighters,he was overrated,he was old etc etc

your so predictable its quite frankly transparent,if americans hate him that much why is there a thread,eubank and hopkins are two of the most awkward fighters of recent years,chris was only 31 for christ sake wait till he beats jones in cardifff,,"yah but roy was old" etc etc well guess what so is calzaghe.

Hopkins took very good care of himself, but no matter how hard he works he cannot prevent the effects of aging. He doesn't have the speed, reflexes, or stamina that he had at his peak and those things are crucial at the top level of boxing. Speed and reflexes are especially important for a counterpunchers. With that said, Calzaghe still barely beat him and got put on his ass too...

RJJ takes care of himself, but you'd have to be a fool not to see the effects the dramatic weight loss have had on him similar to what we just saw happen to Byrd not too long ago.

The fact is Calzaghe has the most hand picked resume in all of boxing. Hatton was right there with him until he fought Mayweather...

[DiegoFuego]

Calzaghe has a padded record with 1 1/2 big wins. He has done nothing. Anybody can hide in Europe for 10 years, claim they want to retire, and get a few big, winnable fights. No way can he claim he is a great.

[abadger]

$in is not a P4P level poster, he never posts anything other than Calzaghe and Brit hate threads and appears to have no other interest in boxing than to criticise these fighters.

The last time Calzaghe had a big fight coming up, $in mysteriously vanished from these boards, almost as though he was not prepared to put his points or what little reputation he posseses, where his mouth was.

At this time there were however a number of alts kicking around, I remember one in particular called xfiles, who had su****iously similar opinions to $in and the same one track mind. He hasn't been seen since the day after the fight, when coincidentally $in returned to these boards.

A few days later, I was happy to receive all of xfiles points as per our bet, but only after repeatedly asking $in if he knew the guy.

The whole episode was mighty confusing for a brand new poster like me.

By the way, $in's threads and posts are ****ing ****.