Calzaghe vs. Pavlik. Who wins?

[RichCCFC]

Prime Calzaghe would KTFO Pavlik.

[BattlingNelson]

What people are overlooking is that while Kelly isn't as naturally gifted as Joe, with the speed and athletic ability Joe has, Kelly has demonstrated an ability to overcome things like that (see both Taylor fights).

Nothing Joe could hit Kelly with coming in would discourage Kelly from coming forward, so it would make for a very interesting fight.

I wouldn't a tall be surprised to see Kelly put Joe on the canvas at some point, and if that happens Kelly would definitely start looking for a finish.

I want to see this fight.

Good post.

It's a battle of undefeated so there's no blueprint for beating any of them. One question going in is weight. Will Calzaghe have to drain himself to much going down again? How will Kellys power be affected fighting a bigger man?

IMO this is a superfight! It's THE fight I want to see closing Calzaghes career win or lose.

I doubt Pavlik is able to put Joe on the floor unless it's by a flash KD. Look at the bombs Joe took from Kessler, who arguably is the harder puncher. I think it's too early in Pavliks career for him to win this fight. He needs more experience to be able to cope with such a savyy vet as Calzaghe. Calzaghe has the adaptability to change his tactics during fights thats unparallelled in boxing today and he will cope with the pressure Pavlik tries to mount.

Calzaghe cannot stop world class fighters anymore so he will settle for the decision.

[ben41193]

I accedently voted for pavlik i meant to say calzaghe by decision

[ßringer]

Good post.

It's a battle of undefeated so there's no blueprint for beating any of them. One question going in is weight. Will Calzaghe have to drain himself to much going down again? How will Kellys power be affected fighting a bigger man?

IMO this is a superfight! It's THE fight I want to see closing Calzaghes career win or lose.

I doubt Pavlik is able to put Joe on the floor unless it's by a flash KD. Look at the bombs Joe took from Kessler, who arguably is the harder puncher. I think it's too early in Pavliks career for him to win this fight. He needs more experience to be able to cope with such a savyy vet as Calzaghe. Calzaghe has the adaptability to change his tactics during fights thats unparallelled in boxing today and he will cope with the pressure Pavlik tries to mount.

Calzaghe cannot stop world class fighters anymore so he will settle for the decision.

You made some good points in here.

One thing I would say though is that Kessler likely could've hurt Joe if he had been able to connect more. He did well early but once Joe changed up his style, Kessler wasn't able to do so in return. That's something I think Kelly's constant pressure can overcome, and he'd likely tag Joe more than Kessler did. So that's where I account for a knockdown on Kelly's behalf.

[deanrw]

I picked Pavlik by KO because I am not sure if Calzaghe's 37 year old legs can keep him off for 12 rounds. If his legs do stand up for 12 under constant pressure, I see Joe taking the decision.

Even one year ago it would have went to Joe easy. But he seems to be slowing down a bit, but that could have been because he fought at light heavy for the first time also.

[abadger]

What people are overlooking is that while Kelly isn't as naturally gifted as Joe, with the speed and athletic ability Joe has, Kelly has demonstrated an ability to overcome things like that (see both Taylor fights).

Nothing Joe could hit Kelly with coming in would discourage Kelly from coming forward, so it would make for a very interesting fight.

I wouldn't a tall be surprised to see Kelly put Joe on the canvas at some point, and if that happens Kelly would definitely start looking for a finish.

I want to see this fight.

Calzaghe's 'lack of power' is wildly overestimated on these boards. Lots of you genuinely seem to believe that getting hit by Calzaghe would be something like getting slapped by my sister. It's ridiculous.

Calzaghe has a winging punching style, sure, but he is a pro boxer and I promise you he can easily throw hard enough to discourage Pavlik. Maybe not KO him, but give him something to think about, of course he could.

He gave Kessler more back than Kessler could dish out.

[Dirt E Gomez]

A couple of months ago I felt Calzaghe would win in a cakewalk.... I'm not so sure anymore. Unless Pavlik really got discouraged I think he could win a decision or by KO.

[ßringer]

Calzaghe's 'lack of power' is wildly overestimated on these boards. Lots of you genuinely seem to believe that getting hit by Calzaghe would be something like getting slapped by my sister. It's ridiculous.

Calzaghe has a winging punching style, sure, but he is a pro boxer and I promise you he can easily throw hard enough to discourage Pavlik. Maybe not KO him, but give him something to think about, of course he could.

He gave Kessler more back than Kessler could dish out.

The evidence points to the contrary. 10 years ago Joe had mild punching power, he hasn't demonstrated that power in a long time. Joe certainly doesn't punch harder than Jermain Taylor, and Jermain Taylor couldn't discourage Kelly from coming forward, not even with the equilibrium shot behind the ear.

[gunners]

Calzaghe is the man at super middle, he would **** pavlik on the score cards and have a chance of a knockout imo.

[deuce_drop]

at this point in their careers, calzaghe win by decision. calzaghe has too much experience and can keep pavlik at the right distance and be able to swarm pavlik. not to say pavlik wouldn't make it an exciting fight and a close one, but, i think that pavlik would have to fight a flawless fight against calzaghe in order to get a decision. i could see pavlik being able to knock joe out, but i think that the chances of that happening are very slim, but it is something that you would have to account in matching the two, how much you factor that in is up to each persons pov.

clazaghes footwork, hand speed, and his experience i think is what seperates the two. as for work rate, calzaghe and pavlik are live dogs against one another, both get stronger and thrown more as the fight progresses. pavlik does has the neutralizer with the power and solid bodywork. now that i think about it, pavlik could wear calzaghe down by having a sustained body attack for the first half of the fight, but he'd take a shellacking in the process. if he could handle that and stick with his plan, he could wear down calzaghe, all in theory at this moment.

i think pavlik needs more world class experience, in and out of the ring, just because he beat taylor twice once by ko, doesn't make him a elite fighter, not yet at least, he needs more high profile wins, fighting calzaghe right now is a big bite to chew with pavliks experience. i have all the faith in pavlik but i would hate to see him get rushed into something so big so quick, just to make a buck. now that he has things going his way, life is probably moving really fast for him right now, and it would be an opportune time for someone on top like calzaghe to take advantage of the new chaos's in pavlik's life, the new attention, the new demands, interviews, etc. calzaghe has all that locked into the bank with his experience from being at that level for so long.............

does any of that make sense??