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  • Undefeated
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    #41
    Originally posted by Addison
    Margarito is a prototypical Mexican fighter, Undefeated. You think he's going to give Cotto the kind of distance Mosley did earlier in the fight?

    Remember what happened later?


    This isn't about Cotto getting rocked at this point or that point for me. I know what happens when he gets hit. Always. I'm not highlighting any events. I see the reaction every time. You're talking about Cotto's "suspect chin" like it's some sort of concept or menu item. This is real.
    Hes not gonna give Cotto the distance, but I tell you this he will respect Cotto in the ring when he gets tagged to the body or so.

    As for what happened later, yea I know, but you can't compare a Mosley to a Tony, when Shane is way faster than him, and a fast/pressure fighting in Mosley is even more dangerous. Cotto has alot of options for a slower Tony. Meaning in wide shots, in which cotto can land that one telling blow or so, or box to victory.

    Im talking about Cotto's chin because everyone acts like the dude has been knocked out, everyone gets rocked, but I get mad and tired of reading and hearing the same **** on this board. Has Tony ever fought a short compact puncher like Cotto? Nah... I don't recall.

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      #42
      Originally posted by BmoreBrawler
      Well, the question is whether Margarito will really be dishing much out. He will be throwing a lot, but it may not land. I have noticed that Margarito's timing has improved dramatically based on the last fight, but based on prior fights I can say that he is an inaccurate puncher.
      Ok, well now we're getting into that Dungeons and Dragons kind of territory with the RPG sort of what the fighter will do business..

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      • !! Shawn
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        #43
        The biggest mistake you can make when determining who will win a fight is punching power.

        You are giving Margarito a chance simply because of his punch.

        George Foreman vs Muhammad Ali anyone?
        Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson
        Floyd Mayweather vs Diego Corrales

        The list goes on and on. Relying a guys power is setting yourself up for disappointment.

        Ask yourself this. Yes or no:

        Can Miguel Cotto out box Antonio Margarito?

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        • BmoreBrawler
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          #44
          Originally posted by Addison
          Ok, well now we're getting into that Dungeons and Dragons kind of territory with the RPG sort of what the fighter will do business..
          If thats the term you use for "in depth analysis" rather than "narrow-minded brush-off", be my guest. The Margarito that fought Williams wont beat Cotto. The Margarito that fought Cintron very well could. Too say that there is basically no way Margarito will lose is to deny Margarito's past actions.
          Last edited by BmoreBrawler; 05-13-2008, 01:22 AM.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Undefeated
            Hes not gonna give Cotto the distance, but I tell you this he will respect Cotto in the ring when he gets tagged to the body or so.

            As for what happened later, yea I know, but you can't compare a Mosley to a Tony, when Shane is way faster than him, and a fast/pressure fighting in Mosley is even more dangerous. Cotto has alot of options for a slower Tony. Meaning in wide shots, in which cotto can land that one telling blow or so, or box to victory.

            Im talking about Cotto's chin because everyone acts like the dude has been knocked out, everyone gets rocked, but I get mad and tired of reading and hearing the same **** on this board. Has Tony ever fought a short compact puncher like Cotto? Nah... I don't recall.
            He fought Lujan. Watch that fight. Lujan looked eerily like Cotto when you try to envision it - only Lujan was alot more explosive than I've ever seen Cotto look, honestly.

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              #46
              [QUOTE=!! Shawn;3476945]The biggest mistake you can make when determining who will win a fight is punching power.

              You are giving Margarito a chance simply because of his punch.

              George Foreman vs Muhammad Ali anyone?
              Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson
              Floyd Mayweather vs Diego Corrales

              The list goes on and on. Relying a guys power is setting yourself up for disappointment.

              Ask yourself this. Yes or no:

              Can Miguel Cotto out box Antonio Margarito?[/QUOTE]


              Yes.......

              Now answer this question...

              Can Margarito possibly KO Cotto??

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              • !! Shawn
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                #47
                Originally posted by Undefeated
                Hes not gonna give Cotto the distance, but I tell you this he will respect Cotto in the ring when he gets tagged to the body or so.

                As for what happened later, yea I know, but you can't compare a Mosley to a Tony, when Shane is way faster than him, and a fast/pressure fighting in Mosley is even more dangerous. Cotto has alot of options for a slower Tony. Meaning in wide shots, in which cotto can land that one telling blow or so, or box to victory.

                Im talking about Cotto's chin because everyone acts like the dude has been knocked out, everyone gets rocked, but I get mad and tired of reading and hearing the same **** on this board. Has Tony ever fought a short compact puncher like Cotto? Nah... I don't recall.
                I can't even recall Margarito facing anyone even remotely close to being the caliber of Cotto.

                The closest he has come has been Paul Williams, and look what happened there.

                I would actually not be surprised to see Cotto come out south paw for this fight.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Addison
                  Clottey is Clottey. He's durable beyond comprehension. Cotto is the freakin opposite. How are they in the same breath? You are generically comparing Clottey and Cotto?? I don't get it, L2B. At all. You lost me.
                  Just because Cotto got rocked doesn't mean he is less durable. Durablility and chin are different things. Cotto's ability to recover and durability are very good.

                  Cotto doesn't look sluggish or worn down or severely faded in any fights. He boxed for about 2 1/2 rounds at the end of the Mosley fight but he was still throwing sharp punches.

                  Chad Dawson-Glen Johnson, Paul Williams-Margarito, Hatton-Collazo, Taylor-Hopkins those are fighters that were worn down.

                  Cotto gets rocked and comes back just as strong.

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                  • Addison
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by !! Shawn
                    The biggest mistake you can make when determining who will win a fight is punching power.

                    You are giving Margarito a chance simply because of his punch.

                    George Foreman vs Muhammad Ali anyone?
                    Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson
                    Floyd Mayweather vs Diego Corrales

                    The list goes on and on. Relying a guys power is setting yourself up for disappointment.

                    Ask yourself this. Yes or no:

                    Can Miguel Cotto out box Antonio Margarito?
                    Not me. I'm not at all. My position is that Cotto can be beaten with pressure and activity. It's the reason Malignaggi fared well - because he kept punching, and the reason Mosley dominated Cotto in the late rounds - because he surged forward.

                    I agree Cotto is a fighter with the mentality of a Boxer. He knows all about retreat and rolling out if he feels he has to. But his instinct to seperate defense and offense into two different categories will cost him dearly against Margarito. Landing a few cute looking jabs and posing for the crowd on Mosley isn't my idea of fighting backwards in the mode he would have to against a Margarito. No chance.

                    Originally posted by BmoreBrawler
                    If thats the term you use for "in depth analysis" rather than "narrow-minded brush-off", be my guest. The Margarito that fought Williams wont beat Cotto. The Margarito that fought Cintron very well could.
                    What do we have to suggest Margarito won't be active? Or landing? He's extremely accurate as a puncher and always has been, and Cotto is extremely easy to hit with the right hand. Like I've said in the past quoting Ring Magazine; hitting Cotto with a right hand is like hitting a billboard with a snowball.

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                    • GodOfWar
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Addison
                      Take me through it in technical terms, because when threads got made referring to Cotto's ability to stand up to pressure, and Cotto's chin, there were non answers and tounge in cheek responses. Some Cotto supporters have already stepped forward and said they can't pick him. It's reality time.

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