How Exactly Can Cotto Win?

[Undefeated]

This is what people don't see.

Cotto is a body puncher, and be aware that he WILL go to the body. Tony isn't goliath, and im sure Cotto will win a decsion. Its because of Cotto so called weak chin that he will lose by KO. Look at the Clottey fight, im sure Cotto is watching it. Tony only looks good when up close and pressuring, im pretty sure Cotto will counter Tony and make him think twice.

Addision. You speak of what happen when Cotto starts gettin nailed with punches? Think about it. Tony is taller, and you better believe that Cotto with his shorter and FASTER punches will hit Tony first. Its not about power. Everyone has a weak point, everyone gets exposed, but my point is saying this "Ya only think Cotto won't win because of his suspect chin"

The dude takes shots and comes back, and best of believe that who ever steps in the ring with Cotto for 12 rounds or less will be in for hell. Even Tony.

Think about it. We were all fooled that Cotto will brawl with Mosley and what happened? He will not brawl with Tony, only pick his shots and use his jab to a victory. Cotto's chin is improving and as stated before it was the weight draining that made it what it was.

This is the thing with boxingscene. Someone loses or gets rocked, people all of a sudden jump on the **** of another fighter. It means nothing bro, this is boxing, and Cotto has the tools and smarts to win the fight, while Tony just comes forward. Counterpunching will be the key to this fight.

Start counting people.

[freedom213]

Somebody take me through this. For real. I don't make threads like this but in this case we've reached an impasse. I have no idea how some of my friends here see Cotto winning. None at all sincerely.

Take me through it in technical terms, because when threads got made referring to Cotto's ability to stand up to pressure, and Cotto's chin, there were non answers and tounge in cheek responses. Some Cotto supporters have already stepped forward and said they can't pick him. It's reality time.

What have you seen to date to suggest that Cotto will not respond well when he is hit with adversity? He has been hit a lot, rocked, dropped, and nearly stopped in the past but he has responded every time.

You make it sound like Cotto will throw the kitchen sink at Margarito, who will take everything, and then Margarito will just start unloading on a guy who has run out of answers. I think Cotto is more intelligent than that. I doubt he'll underestimate a guy like Margarito considering his rep.

A good gameplan for Cotto is simple dont trade, straight punches, box and use footwork to wear Tony down until Cotto can take bigger and bigger offensive risks. I think Cotto is smart enough to have learned against Torres there is an easier path to a win fighting a guy with power and was reminded by Mosley you cant always **** everyone out of there.
Cottos jab is smokin right now so using it and underated footwork and handspeed to accumulate damage. Once Margarito is weakened he wont be as dangerous and Cotto will get offensive. You start seeing Margarito move backwards even in spots and this fight turns real ugly for him.
But Margarito is a beast and he cant let that ****er get going, you gotta respect that Margarito is tough and this fight is very competitive.

[Addison]

And margs punches are the opposite of crisp. They are slow and telegraphed. Watch the Lujan fight, Marg attacks and practically all his punches get slipped in the early going. I think Cotto is good enough to keep doing it the entire night.

Again; this is like that other member talking about how Cotto couldn't take the power of Torres and Corley. Did you see what happened to them?

The Lujan fight is just another crystal clear indication that Cotto has no chance whatsoever. Lujan was extremely quick, mobile, and landing huge shots on Margarito. Did you see what happened to Lujan?

In Cottos quick KO's....Quitana quit and Gomez was outmatched.

I guess they missed when Cintron who was cnsidered the hardest puncher in the division couldnt dent Margarito.

Indeed. Simple wisdom.

[Left2body]

Can Margarito wear down Cotto? Can he ever.

This is a non question to me. But we must have different views of how durable Cotto is. I'm all over those milli-pauses and scrunched up expressions when he gets tagged. His brain is saying "error, error."

Like I've said in the past; Cotto is a brilliant improvisational actor in the ring. He's fantastic at playing it off when he's buzzed or hurt. Margarito doesn't know how to let somoene dance away and play it cute. Cotto is gonna get jumped. This is a horrible style matchup. Horrible.

I think if nothing else Cotto has shown his resiliancy and ability to recover after being hurt. Margarito couldn't ear down a Clottey who was barely throwing punches back the last 6 rounds.

If throwing a record breaking number of punches fails to even put down a boxer barely punching back then there is definitely the high possibility of Cotto also lasting.

You also have to remember that Cotto got hit a lot by Quintana, Judah and Mosley all much faster fighters than Margarito. I think Cotto will be able to avoid/block more punches than you give him credit for.

[BmoreBrawler]

Ok, but a Margarito victory is predicated on his outgoing and not any sort of incoming damage. That's entirely negligable. Cotto can bring a bat into the ring. He's still going to get smashed up. 3 rounds, 6 rounds, 9 rounds, whatever - Margarito will be dishing out as much as he can take. Cotto cannot and will not be able to take as much as he can dish out.

Well, the question is whether Margarito will really be dishing much out. He will be throwing a lot, but it may not land. I have noticed that Margarito's timing has improved dramatically based on the last fight, but based on prior fights I can say that he is an inaccurate puncher.

[Mizzou]

Again; this is like that other member talking about how Cotto couldn't take the power of Torres and Corley. Did you see what happened to them?

The Lujan fight is just another crystal clear indication that Cotto has no chance whatsoever. Lujan was extremely quick, mobile, and landing huge shots on Margarito. Did you see what happened to Lujan?





Indeed. Simple wisdom.

I hope this fight is a blood bath. Probably Cotto's toughest fight yet. Party on Wayne, Party on Dude. Be careful climbing those cables with your tibet signs while baked.

[freedom213]

Thats what I said. He can't trade punch for punch with Margarito. He has to try and avoid that. Like I said before I see huge similarities between this fight and Vaz-Marq. The better technical more well rounded fighter who's main strength (inside fighting) is negated by his opponent who is larger and more durable but slower and not quite as good from the outside.

Marquez was able to get off quite often against Vazquez with clean crisp punches from medium distance and did ok on the outside when he went inside.

However when Vazquez forced prolonged exchanges he got the better of it. He was able to do it enough to wear Marquez down. Now the thing is can Cotto avoid enough exchanges to keep from being wore down.

Vazquez got hit by bombs and kitchen sinks and kept on his relentless pressure and attack. I think Cotto will also land bombs on the offensive minded Margarito and I also expect Margarito to keep up his relentless pressure and attack.

Can Margarito wear Cotto down or can Cotto hurt Margarito enough to slow down his attack? Thats why its an exciting matchup for fans.

Which makes it a good matchup.

very good comparison. Vazquez was pretty quick with his movement and has fat hands but I see your points about strategy

[Addison]

This is what people don't see.

Cotto is a body puncher, and be aware that he WILL go to the body. Tony isn't goliath, and im sure Cotto will win a decsion. Its because of Cotto so called weak chin that he will lose by KO. Look at the Clottey fight, im sure Cotto is watching it. Tony only looks good when up close and pressuring, im pretty sure Cotto will counter Tony and make him think twice.

Addision. You speak of what happen when Cotto starts gettin nailed with punches? Think about it. Tony is taller, and you better believe that Cotto with his shorter and FASTER punches will hit Tony first. Its not about power. Everyone has a weak point, everyone gets exposed, but my point is saying this "Ya only think Cotto won't win because of his suspect chin"

The dude takes shots and comes back, and best of believe that who ever steps in the ring with Cotto for 12 rounds or less will be in for hell. Even Tony.

Think about it. We were all fooled that Cotto will brawl with Mosley and what happened? He will not brawl with Tony, only pick his shots and use his jab to a victory. Cotto's chin is improving and as stated before it was the weight draining that made it what it was.

This is the thing with boxingscene. Someone loses or gets rocked, people all of a sudden jump on the **** of another fighter. It means nothing bro, this is boxing, and Cotto has the tools and smarts to win the fight, while Tony just comes forward. Counterpunching will be the key to this fight.

Start counting people.

Margarito is a prototypical Mexican fighter, Undefeated. You think he's going to give Cotto the kind of distance Mosley did earlier in the fight?

Remember what happened later?


This isn't about Cotto getting rocked at this point or that point for me. I know what happens when he gets hit. Always. I'm not highlighting any events. I see the reaction every time. You're talking about Cotto's "suspect chin" like it's some sort of concept or menu item. This is real.

[oldgringo]

Well, the question is whether Margarito will really be dishing much out. He will be throwing a lot, but it may not land. I have noticed that Margarito's timing has improved dramatically based on the last fight, but based on prior fights I can say that he is an inaccurate puncher.

You also have to remember that Cotto got hit a lot by Quintana, Judah and Mosley all much faster fighters than Margarito. I think Cotto will be able to avoid/block more punches than you give him credit for.

Yes. Cotto is not going to be a target. I think he'll do things to carry him to the end of the fight, subtle things to avoid punishment.

I think of the drastic effect that the bit of little lateral movement from Quintana had on Paul Williams' sustained, never ending work rate. Paul looked downright confused at times and was discouraged from throwing when he was eating sharp counters in return.

Now I know these are two completely different fighters in a different circumstance, but the point remains that Cotto will be smart enough to find subtle, effective defensive tactics to help him win.

[Addison]

I think if nothing else Cotto has shown his resiliancy and ability to recover after being hurt. Margarito couldn't ear down a Clottey who was barely throwing punches back the last 6 rounds.

If throwing a record breaking number of punches fails to even put down a boxer barely punching back then there is definitely the high possibility of Cotto also lasting.

You also have to remember that Cotto got hit a lot by Quintana, Judah and Mosley all much faster fighters than Margarito. I think Cotto will be able to avoid/block more punches than you give him credit for.

Clottey is Clottey. He's durable beyond comprehension. Cotto is the freakin opposite. How are they in the same breath? You are generically comparing Clottey and Cotto?? I don't get it, L2B. At all. You lost me.