Was Muhammad Ali a bum?

[Mr. Ryan]

he wasnt a bum at all. He fought in one of the most competitive boxing eras, when heavyweights were actually the heavyweights they were suppoused to be and what people wanted them to be. he beat a handfull of Hall of Fame legends and became a symbol. that's exactly what a great fighter is.
some people will look at his fights and find an excuse. the opponent was hurt, old, too inexperienced, the victory wasnt as convincing as people would have preffered etc, but that's just talk. his record speaks for itself, very few people would have fared succesfull having faced the kind of fighters that ali stepped into the ring with.

For a guy who wasn't a one punch knockout artist, he was able to beat Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Henry Cooper, Earnie Shavers and Joe Frazier. All of those guys are among the 100 hardest punching heavyweights of all-time. Thats not counting the guys like Ron Lyle who could make that list as well.

[Mr. Ryan]

he done it to me yesterday

btw how did post that picture of your rep

He was one of the posters who dogged me incessantly for implying that Wladimir Klitschko had the potential to do more against Ibragimov. In a way, he was insulting Wladimir by saying that Klitschko was incapable of performing better.

[deanrw]

he done it to me yesterday

btw how did post that picture of your rep

Press Printscreen. Open Photoshop (even MS Paint will do). Click edit, then paste. Crop the image you want, paste it in a new image and save it as a jpg. Them upload it to an image hoster.

[TheGreatA]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166675&highlight=marciano&page=6

Tunney is incredibly biased against Ali.

[Dynamite Kid]

He was one of the posters who dogged me incessantly for implying that Wladimir Klitschko had the potential to do more against Ibragimov. In a way, he was insulting Wladimir by saying that Klitschko was incapable of performing better.

the man is an idiot thats why he is on my ignore list

[warp1432]

I don't know how anyone could say that he was a bum though. Imo, he is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

[Mr. Ryan]

the man is an idiot thats why he is on my ignore list

I have no problem with anyone, I just recognize that there are some posters who believe that their favorite fighters are superior human beings to the rest of civilization.

You don't hear me on here talking about how Rodel Mayol and AJ Banal are part of some master race.

[Mr. Ryan]

I don't know how anyone could say that he was a bum though. Imo, he is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

I agree, I feel he is the best heavyweight, although I sometimes think Louis was. There are some that overrate him, but even when you put him in his most humblest context, Ali is still far from a bum. He still is among the best fighters the heavyweight division has ever seen.

Contrary to what some may believe, he accomplished more than either Klitschko brother.

[Boogie Nights]

For a guy who wasn't a one punch knockout artist, he was able to beat Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Henry Cooper, Earnie Shavers and Joe Frazier. All of those guys are among the 100 hardest punching heavyweights of all-time. Thats not counting the guys like Ron Lyle who could make that list as well.

yep, dont forger Cleveland Williams, and Jerry Quarry who had one hell of a left hook. and i do agree, for a guy who wasnt much of a puncher, in the division where you render your reputation for power, he won on his skill, heart, and instincts when he had to. Had one of the best chins, and never ducked anyone in the division, another distinction that most other champions lack. Ali had no excuses.

[Mr. Ryan]

For those who think Ali was a bum, can you state your reasons why you take that stand and list heavyweight fighters you consider to be superior?