Prime Oscar vs Prime Floyd

[Lazy Liberal]

Pernell Whitaker was p4p # 1 at the time Oscar fought him?

Unless you meant Floyd. Did I say floyd was washed up? No I just said he wasn't at his best either as that weight class is not his prime weight and he was probably alot slower then just 2 years ago.

Sweet P was lb 4 lb when Oscar fought him. I was not referring to floyd.

[Vladimir303]

Sweet P was lb 4 lb when Oscar fought him. I was not referring to floyd.

You said he was # 1 which he wasn't.

And no matter his position at that time, he was smoking crack and was clearly washed up.....it's just that he is so damn skilled James Toney-esque that even past his best he competes against prime fighters.

Oscar prime or past prime always had problem against slick black fighters. His best victories come against mexican come forward fighters.

[2120]

at 140, floyd would have dominated the living **** out of oscar, get over it. baldomir has a solid chin, get over it. i could see floyd playing with baldo with his supposed lower weight skillset, but carlos has a very good chin. at 140, floyd demonstarted immaculate skills and fought very aggressive and looked unstoppable at that weight class, oscar would be in for a long night, trust me.

while i would agree oscar would be in for a long night at 140 against floyd

Looking unstoppable against gatti does not mean he would dominate the living **** out of oscar "get over it"

floyds fight against corely was an entertaining performance by floyd (we need so more of that floyd)

but off of those two wins you are going to tell me that floyd would dominate oscar at 140?

i will repeat just because oscar couldnt beat mosely does not mean floyd would beat a prime oscar at 147.

floyd has yet to demonstrate the class of skill that he did at 130, 135 at welter and that what he would need to beat a prime oscar or mosely at 147.

a prime oscar and mosely size would only help them along with there world class skill as well

no dont twist the words that does not mean that they have more skill than floyd



I think you floyd fans believe that just because someone does not think floyd would beat a prime oscar at 147 that some how we think oscar was unbeatable at 147




that is a ****** assumption.

[steptwome]

Sweet P was lb 4 lb when Oscar fought him. I was not referring to floyd.

............and WELLLLLLLLLL past his prime

[Lazy Liberal]

............and WELLLLLLLLLL past his prime

Well, using your analysis of whitaker, Oscar was also weLLLLLLLL past his prime. So if Oscar gets no credit for that win, then floyd should not get credit for the Oscar win.


I believe oscar and whitaker were around the same age when they fought the fights in question. Whiatker might have been on the slide, but he was active. Oscar takes yrs off and comes back, not bad for a guy who's hobby is boxing.



whitaker turned pro in fall of 84. Fought Oscar in spring of 97, 13 yr span.

Oscar turned pro in fall of 92, fought Whitaker in 97, span of 15 yrs.


If anyones loss should be put into perspective it would be Oscar.

[Vladimir303]

Well, using your analysis of whitaker, Oscar was also weLLLLLLLL past his prime. So if Oscar gets no credit for that win, then floyd should not get credit for the Oscar win.


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Wrong. Oscar is bigger stronger and punches harder then Floyd. Floyd fought him at his weight of 154 where Oscar has been for years in his first fight. Floyd fought a bigger guy in his weight division and should credit.

Pernell was the smaller of the two and well past his prime. A 5'6 guy who never had a big punch. He was the quivelant of Steve Forbes, only better defensively and offensively except way washed up.

Everybody who watched boxing back then knows that Pernell was way over the hill at that time. He was a crack addict for crisp sake. You can't compare Pernell to the 2007 Oscar based on pro debuts and who has fought more years. That's what boxrec.com people do when they don't know what they're talking about.

[Lazy Liberal]

Wrong. Oscar is bigger stronger and punches harder then Floyd. Floyd fought him at his weight of 154 where Oscar has been for years in his first fight. Floyd fought a bigger guy in his weight division and should credit.

Pernell was the smaller of the two and well past his prime. A 5'6 guy who never had a big punch.

Everybody who watched boxing back then knows that Pernell was way over the hill at that time. He was a crack addict for crisp sake. You can't compare Pernell to the 2007 Oscar based on pro debuts and who has fought more years. That's what boxrec.com people do when they don't know what they're talking about.

Oh, so oscar was in his prime when he fought Floyd, interesting. I've followed the sport since 84, i know what Im talking about, don't need box rec.


Whitaker was already at Ww for a couple of figts when Oscar went up from 140 to challenge him in his 1st fight at WW.


Expalin how oscar is bigger than a guy that was fightin at Ww, Oscar moved up 7 lbs to fight Sweet P. He has heighth over him .

[Vladimir303]

Oh, so oscar was in his prime when he fought Floyd, interesting. I've followed the sport since 84, i know what Im talking about, don't need box rec.

Comprehension skills please. I didn't say he was in his prime. I said he had alot of physical advantages over Floyd and he still had decent speed and power. He controled the ring size and which gloves to wear. Floyd himself wasn't at his best fighting at 154. His best fighting weight is 140 where he has some pop. He had no punching power against Oscar.

Floyd like Pernell, just had too much skill for him. Some think Pernell won that fight.

Whitaker was already at Ww for a couple of figts when Oscar went up from 140 to challenge him in his 1st fight at WW.


Expalin how oscar is bigger than a guy that was fightin at Ww, Oscar moved up 7 lbs to fight Sweet P. He has heighth over him .

For somebody who claims to have watched the sport since the 80's you sure ask alot of question like a guy who got his knowledge from boxrec.com

So I repeat this again, Oscar Delahoya is the bigger, stronger guy, It doesn't matter that he moved up from lightweight. He starved himself so he could grab a title at 130 and 135. He was bigger then all those guys.

Pernell Whitaker is a lil guy and a natural lightweight and he has no punching power. His best days were as a lightweight champion. The majority of his welterweight fights, he was crack addict. He was just soo good he won alot of fights when he wasn't even at his best.

[Pullcounter]

Who takes it? I think Oscar would win a UD 115-113 TBH.

oscar has never beat an elite fighter in his prime.