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  • Dynamite Kid
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    #41
    Originally posted by abadger
    I agree he has mostly fought opposition he could beat, but thats the norm for a young prospect. I think its too harsh to call him the most protected fighter in boxing. He's at the stage now where he's going to be taking meaningful fights soon, and if he avoids Casamayor, Campbell, Katsidis, Diaz etc then I'll be more than happy to agree with you.

    Give him a chance!
    u are missing the point i aint questioning the ability of his oposition im questioning there ability to punch ,that is the definition of being protected IMO when your oponents are selected to the point where they aint even got a punchers chance of beating u

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      #42
      Originally posted by Scott9945
      Yeah, protected fighters always end up in the ring with Antonio Margarito.
      Come on dude, it's a calculated risk. Every fighter Cotto has ever fought has a down fall or is lacking something. He has NEVER fought a complete fighter, or a fighter with a range of skills.

      Urkal-No punch
      Paulie-No Punch
      Quintana-No punch
      -- Do you see the resemblance. These are all BOXERS with NO punch.

      Shane- Old, one fight away from retirement. Beat a washed up old Vargas who lost to Mayorga. Then beat Collazo who lost to Ricky.

      Zab- Good name. NO CHIN. Washed up. Coming off of a losing streak going into the fight.

      Margs- Very powerful, but lacks speed and boxing ability. Hand made for Cotto. Will stand right in front of you and absorb punches.

      Come on dude, can you see the Truth or are you blinded by the marketing scheme of Bob Arum.

      EDIT- Also when he fought Torres, Cotto did the chicken dance. Why no REMATCH? Because they didnt want their cash cow to get exposed before a big money fight. They were protecting his "0".
      Last edited by My Name Is...; 04-28-2008, 05:55 PM.

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      • Bad_Barracuda
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        #43
        Originally posted by Dorian
        Andre Berto
        Berto??

        C'mon..!!

        Berto fought Estrada and Cosme Rivera befor he had 20 fights..!

        BOTH those guys KO Chavez Jr..

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        • Dynamite Kid
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          #44
          Originally posted by abadger
          Mayweather was exceptional. The fact remains that Khan's record is decent for a boxer of his experience. If he avoids the big fights in future then I'll agree with you. Khan is only 20 and we might see him fight Casamayor, Katsidis, Diaz, Campbell and even Pacquaio before he turns 23.

          Calling him protected right now is a little unfair. If he doesn't step it up in the future then it won't be.
          how is it unfair to call him protected the majority of the guys hes beat are'nt even in double figuers for Knockouts & this aint no secret everyone to a man said after Khan knockdown against Limond that we could expect him to be in there against more no punchers in the near future who did we get in his next fight Scott ****in Lawton 4 KO's

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          • abadger
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            #45
            Originally posted by Terrible...
            u are missing the point i aint questioning the ability of his oposition im questioning there ability to punch ,that is the definition of being protected IMO when your oponents are selected to the point where they aint even got a punchers chance of beating u
            I agree with you his opponents have been selected for their inability to beat him, based on their punching power, Khan has been vastly superior to most of them in every other department but his chin, but as I say that is the norm for a young prospect. Khan is still learning his trade.

            Soon enough he will have to fight one of Katsidis, Casamayor, Campbell or Diaz and I'm pretty sure it will be before he turns 23.

            If he doesn't, then that's when he'll be genuinely protected.
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            Last edited by abadger; 03-21-2011, 12:11 AM.

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            • sparked_85
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              #46
              I pretty much agree with Terrible regarding Khan, he isn't fighting punchers at all. It's a shame. His next fight needs to be a puncher or at least a moderate puncher.

              I look at Amir and see how big he is at the weight and think he must be able to take a decent one. But it makes you think.

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                #47
                Originally posted by abadger
                I agree with you his opponents have been selected for their inability to beat him, based on their punching power, Khan has been vastly superior to most of them in every other department but his chin, but as I say that is the norm for a young prospect. Khan is still learning his trade.

                Soon enough he will have to fight one of Katsidis, Casamayor, Campbell or Diaz and I'm pretty sure it will be before he turns 23.

                If he doesn't, then that's when he'll be genuinely protected.
                well if his oponents have been selected on the basis they cant punch then surely that is the definition of being protected especially post Limond ,Frank Warren & Khan aint fooling real Boxing fans with this Amir Hype machine on terestrial TV, casual fans maybe

                Power takes u a long way in this game ,do u think Barkley was as skilled as Hearns or Jackson as skilled as Norris, or Tito more skilled than David Ried ,

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by HTownTexan
                  Come on dude, it's a calculated risk. Every fighter Cotto has ever fought has a down fall or is lacking something. He has NEVER fought a complete fighter, or a fighter with a range of skills.

                  Urkal-No punch
                  Paulie-No Punch
                  Quintana-No punch
                  -- Do you see the resemblance. These are all BOXERS with NO punch.

                  Shane- Old, one fight away from retirement. Beat a washed up old Vargas who lost to Mayorga. Then beat Collazo who lost to Ricky.

                  Zab- Good name. NO CHIN. Washed up. Coming off of a losing streak going into the fight.

                  Margs- Very powerful, but lacks speed and boxing ability. Hand made for Cotto. Will stand right in front of you and absorb punches.

                  Come on dude, can you see the Truth or are you blinded by the marketing scheme of Bob Arum.

                  EDIT- Also when he fought Torres, Cotto did the chicken dance. Why no REMATCH? Because they didnt want their cash cow to get exposed before a big money fight. They were protecting his "0".

                  So who do you want Cotto to fight? He'd fight Mayweather or DLH in a minute. Torres was injured in the Cotto fight and didn't return until over nine months later. So who exactly is Cotto being protected from? I believe that you know boxing, but when it comes to Cotto you just lack any objectivity.

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                  • abadger
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Terrible...
                    well if his oponents have been selected on the basis they cant punch then surely that is the definition of being protected especially post Limond ,Frank Warren & Khan aint fooling real Boxing fans with this Amir Hype machine on terestrial TV, casual fans maybe

                    Power takes u a long way in this game ,do u think Barkley was as skilled as Hearns or Jackson as skilled as Norris, or Tito more skilled than David Ried ,

                    I totally agree with most of what you say, but you are ignoring the fact that Khan is just a prospect, working his way up towards the big fights. It is almost as though you want to write him off from the start. His opposition up to this point has been good for a boxer of his experience and harder fights will come. Khan does have a suspect chin, but at this stage it is only suspect. It will be fair to describe him as incredibly protected if he continues to avoid punchers throughout his career, but it isn't yet.

                    In a division that contains Campbell, Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor, Khan will have to face a puncher sonner rather than later. It is likely he will face at least one of them (whichever has a belt then) and fight for a world title at 22 or so. That wouldn't be protected would it?
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                    Last edited by abadger; 03-21-2011, 12:11 AM.

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                    • KnockoutTheFat
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by 2501
                      Tye Fields? how is he supposed to get fights when fighters are afraid to get in the same building with him? Tye Fields is an ATG because of the unsanctioned fights he's had in underground fights circles and brazil, iraq etc.
                      I think that was the point Kessler was trying to make. Tye Fields is technically overprotected because all of the top heavyweights are purposefully ducking him which make it seem like he's overprotected; they don't want to feel the power of a 6-9 275 lb. monster. If Samuel Peter would man up and give this man a title shot, Tye would decapitate him in one round and vindicate his case for GOAT.

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