Whos a better fighter overall? Hopkins or Toney

[warp1432]

Maybe, but he didn't and at the end of the day you have to take that into account.

[K-Nan]

Maybe, but he didn't and at the end of the day you have to take that into account.

Didn't what?

[-Antonio-]

TONEY does NOT have a better resume then Bernard Hopkins.

No but he beat better fighters.

[-Antonio-]

You can argue Nunn was better than anyone Hopkins ever beat.

Actually it's not an argument, he just is. Same with McCallum.

[Xplosivo]

I think people are insane to vote for James Toney.

Are they really? Read the quoted posts below and let me know who the better fighter is

hey, racist numb nutts. You know why hopkins was getting hit in the back of the head? Because he was cheating and lunging his head in like a mad man.

Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins was the biggest garbage fight in the world with Hopkins cheating more often then any other fighter in the sport. Then he thinks he has the right about complaining about being robbed? That sob used his head at all times and never once was warned by Joe Cortez about using his head as a weapon moving in forward lunging with his head and clinching. I know hopkins has always fought dirty but I hope this ****ter stays retire after his disgusting cheating against Calzaghe. Calzaghe would have been the first boxer to ever stop this cheater and cortez enjoyed pampering Hopkins. Disgusting, Joe Cortez should never be able to ref a fight again.

Hopkins lost because he is a cheater and kept getting pampered by Joe Cortez. He is a *****, plus he should learn to throw more punches then he did, hst just clinched and threw one punch at a time. Oh, look at those few nice punches hopkins land. Anyone tell him that you can't just land a few punches and win the fight that way. You need to land more punches then that, plus he earned that lost with his cheating ways.

How can it be robbery when Hopkins barely threw punches? The punches he did land were nice but he just didn't throw enough punches.

Plus, he kept cheating so hopkins earned that lost by cheating the entire fight. Using his head as a weapon and kept clinching and cortez kept pampering him. Hopkins was cheating and still lost.

Hopkins wins by clinching!!! Amazing, his workrate ******

This is what you said yourself in your previous , so how is Hopkins a better fighter? your just trying to hype calzaghe's win now, calzaghe didnt even beat a 44 year old hopkins got a gift decision like the overrated limey **** he is who should have 2 losses by now to hopkins and reid.

I give you the award for the worst nuthugger ever. cong****!

[K-Nan]

You can argue Nunn was better than anyone Hopkins ever beat.

Actually it's not an argument, he just is. Same with McCallum.

Nunn was a legitimate middleweight, for one. Secondly, he was the best fighter in the world when JT stopped him. I don't think there's any question that the Nunn win alone eclipses BOTH of B-Hop's wins over the 2 inflated WWs.

[warp1432]

He has more legitimate wins. Oscar and Trinidad had no business at 160.. and those are the wins that put him on the map. Toney beat legitimate fighters at his weight.. Legitimate and talented fighters at his weight. He ended up beating guys like Holyfield and Jirov who were at least twice his natural size.

And Holyfield was old as ****. As was Mike Mccallum and a "blown up Jr.Middleweight" (who arugably beat him twice). He lost to montell Griffin twice too. I'll give him Barkley and Nunn. Toney has a great resume actually, but it's not as good as Hopkins.

Trinidad had business at 160. He crushed WIlliam Joppy in 5 rounds. Not even Bute (8 pounds bigger and Joppy shot to death) could do it and had a frame that could fit into middleweight.

Though James Toney could possibly beat Bernard. If there are two fighters that have the potential to beat Bernard from the 90s Middleweights it was Roy Jones and James Toney. Roy Jones would definietly beat him. Toney is a question mark. Maybe Chris Eubank would beat him too. Joe Calzaghe probably wouldn't. Nigel Benn wouldn't. No way Gerald Mccllean beat him and probably all the others I'm not mentioning.

[ferocity]

Just because Popkins has an ugly fighting style, it doesn't mean he has less skills, you guys are naive and relate skill to flash. Very different things.
Popkins (prime) was a more consistent fighter and I'd pick him any day to beat Toney.

Segundo Mercado and Allan and Echols and Holmes gave Hopkins tons of trouble, even a Bo James gave Hopkins a lot of trouble. Play the waiting game and Toney will out play you. Hit with power and Toney will hit with power too. Toney was just the better fighter and it was a plus that he was more exciting then Hopkins.

[Xplosivo]

Segundo Mercado and Allan and Echols and Holmes gave Hopkins tons of trouble, even a Bo James gave Hopkins a lot of trouble. Play the waiting game and Toney will out play you. Hit with power and Toney will hit with power too. Toney was just the better fighter and it was a plus that he was more exciting then Hopkins.

hey ferocity check this GodOfWar guy such a ***in hyprocrite see my post before this how he describes hopkins as a "cheat who cant box" and now he thinks people who are saying toney is a better fighter are insane. he is clearly trying to hype calzaghe's win (on paper, i still think calzaghe got gift, one against hopkins and one against reid)

[K-Nan]

And Holyfield was old as ****. As was Mike Mccallum and a "blown up Jr.Middleweight" (who arugably beat him twice). He lost to montell Griffin twice too. I'll give him Barkley and Nunn. Toney has a great resume actually, but it's not as good as Hopkins.

Trinidad had business at 160. He crushed WIlliam Joppy in 5 rounds. Not even Bute (8 pounds bigger and Joppy shot to death) could do it and had a frame that could fit into middleweight.

Though James Toney could possibly beat Bernard. If there are two fighters that have the potential to beat Bernard from the 90s Middleweights it was Roy Jones and James Toney. Roy Jones would definietly beat him. Toney is a question mark. Maybe Chris Eubank would beat him too. Joe Calzaghe probably wouldn't. Nigel Benn wouldn't. No way Gerald Mccllean beat him and probably all the others I'm not mentioning.

Nunn beats Bernard, too. And the fact remains that his two biggest wins came over guys who were much smaller. Old or not, Holyfield was a HEAVYWEIGHT. That was more of the message I'm sending with that one. He fought guys who were not only his size, but much bigger than him, too. Bernard Hopkins struggled with elite guys who were truly his size. The best he's done in that respect was Antonio Tarver.