Calzaghe Blasts Roy Jones, Drops Retirement

[IMDAZED]

what about hopkins major hugging in the fight if it would been hatton you yanks would been all over his back saying how he hugged to much etc

That's a pretty simple way to look at it, don't you think? The differences between Hatton and Hopkins don't end there.

Nevertheless, I believe most Americans agree with the decision. I did. But questions abound. To see Hopkins so tired in the latter rounds was a bad, bad sign of his age. I'd like to say it was Calzaghe's activity but Bernard neutralized that quite a bit. And so the victory over a 43yr old Hopkins - a close victory at that - won't quite garner as much praise as expected. But it's a still a win and - for good or bad - one of the best on Calzaghe's resume. We really don't know how much it counts for at this point.

[.Mik.]

Nah, its not even close

1) Mayweather boxing skills are FAR superior to calzaghe's

2) Calzaghe landed clean on Hopkins about 3/4 times the entire fight, yet his groupies were claiming he would school hopkins easily

3) He got knocked down in round 1

4) Hopkins at 43, made him miss and look amaturish the entire fight, who can seriously believe a prime hopkins wouldnt have won that fight UD, hopkins gassed out from Rd9 onwards and still calzaghe couldnt land clean.

5) His fans think his 'windmill' techiques and throwing wide-slapping punches that do not land make him the the 2nd best boxer on the planet.

Talk about delusional.

Talk about delusional...you're refusing to accept that Calzaghe won a fight that American judges deemed him to win, that the general population of this forum deemed him to win, that the ringside commentators, experts and writers all deemed him to win (in the majority)...

I think you misunderstood the post that you are quoting. The point was that the way in which people are currently either loving and hating Calzaghe resembles the way in which people love and hate Mayweather.

He didnt misunderstand it, he just wanted to use it as a way of promoting his pro-mayweather and anti-calzaghe propoganda. He HATES it if a fighter he dislikes is compared to a fighter that he likes. You'll see this kind of reaction from him anytime you compare Calzaghe to a fighter he admires.

Nah, He implied people hated both guys simply cos they are on top. Its not true, calzaghe isnt liked by some cos.....

1) Some of his fans clearly cant score boxing matches, 116-112 calzaghe you guys know who you are.

2) Calzaghe clearly has some technical boxing deficiencies which are deliberately overlooked.

1). The most experienced judge at that ringside, one with a long and illustrious career, inarguable credentials and on top of that is AMERICAN scored the fight 116-112. You know better how to score boxing fights than this guy? Just admit it. Say that you think so and this will all be over, you and I shall never debate this matter again.

2). Surely, it should be to his credit that Calzaghe has all of these technical deficiencies and still comes out on top in every fight...ever? Would it be better having great technical attributes and wasting them by losing so many fights?

Yeah but here is the difference, Mayweather quite possibly has the best skill set ever seen in a boxing ring, there are few guys i have seen with better boxing skill, then again im no expert. Mayweather warrants these comparisions by being a 5 weight title holder and the undisputed best fighter in boxing. Calzaghe doesnt, hopkins is the 1st true world class fighter he fought, and he didnt look good imo.

I see your point though, mayweather is my favorite fighter, but no fighter is unbeatable.

Mayweather's strength is his skill within the ring, Calzaghe's is his heart. Mayweather will fight on the back-foot, he'll counter-punch, he'll be defensive and he'll look for openings. Apart from to boxing purists, it is not pretty to watch, but it results in legitimate and fair victories (Castillo excepting, he's not been in a truly contentious decision so far). Calzaghe will fight on the front foot, he'll take more punches, he'll land more punches, his punches wont be as accurate or as technical, he'll give more openings away and he'll get knocked down from time to time. Its not pretty to watch his windmill style, but he over-whelms opponents, creates an often breath-taking frenetic style of fight that will rarely be pleasurable to watch to boxing purists, but is more likely to be to the average boxing fan. Regardless, it results in victories, he has never truly been involved in a contentious decision that the majority of even a thin minority of fans (against both Hopkins and Reid he'd take a 60-40 majority MINIMUM on these forums).

Why is it that you'll consider one feat so much more impressive than the other? To the point where you'll constantly and repeatedly criticise one, and build up the other?

[Scoooter]

That's a pretty simple way to look at it, don't you think? The differences between Hatton and Hopkins don't end there.

Nevertheless, I believe most Americans agree with the decision. I did. But questions abound. To see Hopkins so tired in the latter rounds was a bad, bad sign of his age. I'd like to say it was Calzaghe's activity but Bernard neutralized that quite a bit. And so the victory over a 43yr old Hopkins - a close victory at that - won't quite garner as much praise as expected. But it's a still a win and - for good or bad - one of the best on Calzaghe's resume. We really don't know how much it counts for at this point.

Calzaghe definitely had a hand in that. Hopkins did a great job of slowing the fight's pace in the early rounds, but Calzaghe just kept pressing and pressing, and B-Hop couldn't keep up. He was fighting more of Joe's fight than he wanted to.

[S A M U R A I]

what about hopkins major hugging in the fight if it would been hatton you yanks would been all over his back saying how he hugged to much etc

Right on.

Hopkins-Calzaghe = 160 clinches.

One hundred and sixy clinches!



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[Degsy]

No fighter in the game looks as bad and foolish as Joe..

He was throwing karate chops and washerwoman slaps..

He is a perfect example of the huge gap that exists between the WBO and the big 3(IBF..WBA..WBC)..

Joe has little to no respect from his peers in the boxing community

Your only problem with that post is that he has held the WBC WBA and IBF titles at various times, so what's your point??? Obviously a resurrected banned poster on a new ip address

[Technical_Skill]

Talk about delusional...you're refusing to accept that Calzaghe won a fight that American judges deemed him to win, that the general population of this forum deemed him to win, that the ringside commentators, experts and writers all deemed him to win (in the majority)...

I dont give a **** about the general population of this forum, and if you see the post fight analyisis, quite a few people had the fight for hopkins. I can see how someone could score the fight for calzaghe by 1 point 2 at max, but some of these scorecards are ******ed in the extreme, face it, you cant tell the difference between landing and blocking.

1). The most experienced judge at that ringside, one with a long and illustrious career, inarguable credentials and on top of that is AMERICAN scored the fight 116-112. You know better how to score boxing fights than this guy? Just admit it. Say that you think so and this will all be over, you and I shall never debate this matter again.)...

What the **** is this ****? The guy is american so he must be able to score fights? Your ever seen Harold Lederman before? Have you actually watched any boxing latley? how many bad decisions have there been? that's what you dont get, alot of these guys DONT have the creditials to judge a fight.

Yes, i scored that fight far better than that judge on that night, 116-112 is a ****ing ******ed score to have in an obviously close fight. Especially when the guy winning the fight landed about 5 clean punches all night, and got knocked down and got outboxed.

2). Surely, it should be to his credit that Calzaghe has all of these technical deficiencies and still comes out on top in every fight...ever? Would it be better having great technical attributes and wasting them by losing so many fights?

What has this got to do with calzaghe fans not being able to objectivley judge his skillset? Other then the fact that you are one of those people.


I ignored that crap about mayweather, funny how you talk about what makes mayweather a good fighter now, yet you picked hatton over him in two rounds, cant take it seriously, sorry nothing personal, you dont have a grasp of boxing skillsets or technique, or fightplans, and if calzaghe wasnt british you wouldnt be blowing so much smoke up his bottom. A guy spends the entire fight doing windmill style Kung fu, doesnt even land in the process, gets knocked down and you call that a clear win (dont deny it, i seen your threads already)

[.Mik.]

I dont give a **** about the general population of this forum, and if you see the post fight analyisis, quite a few people had the fight for hopkins. I can see how someone could score the fight for calzaghe by 1 point 2 at max, but some of these scorecards are ******ed in the extreme, face it, you cant tell the difference between landing and blocking.




What the **** is this ****? The guy is american so he must be able to score fights? Your ever seen Harold Lederman before? Have you actually watched any boxing latley? how many bad decisions have there been? that's what you dont get, alot of these guys DONT have the creditials to judge a fight.

Yes, i scored that fight far better than that judge on that night, 116-112 is a ****ing ******ed score to have in an obviously close fight. Especially when the guy winning the fight landed about 5 clean punches all night, and got knocked down and got outboxed.


What has this got to do with calzaghe fans not being able to objectivley judge his skillset? Other then the fact that you are one of those people.


I ignored that crap about mayweather, funny how you talk about what makes mayweather a good fighter now, yet you picked hatton over him in two rounds, cant take it seriously, sorry nothing personal, you dont have a grasp of boxing skillsets or technique, or fightplans, and if calzaghe wasnt british you wouldnt be blowing so much smoke up his bottom. A guy spends the entire fight doing windmill style Kung fu, doesnt even land in the process, gets knocked down and you call that a clear win (dont deny it, i seen your threads already)

What is there to deny? Calzaghe DID win the fight clearly. He won it by more than he was awarded by the judges. I merely question your credentials to score a fight because you question those so much more capable than yourself. Its as though you put more faith into what your eyes see than of the EXPERTS within the industry. Again, I dont just say the judges, because judges sometimes make bad decisions. But the majority dont. The majority of fans (as expressed here), judges, former pros, writers and commentators ALL had Joe as the winner, thats a little hard to overcome all by yourself mate.

The fact that you're bringing up a Hatton vs Mayweather prediction that I made entirely in jest (I predicted Hatton to win, the fact that I claimed he was going to knock out PBF in 2 rounds was nothing but a joke and could never be interpreted as anything other than that) and taking it seriously suggests that you have nowhere near as much of a sense of humour as your constant posting of a emoticon would imply.

You did, as usual, ignore the bulk of my post and only respond to the things that you have an argument in response to, instead of admitting fault where it is apparent. Dreadful form.

[Technical_Skill]

What is there to deny? Calzaghe DID win the fight clearly. He won it by more than he was awarded by the judges. I merely question your credentials to score a fight because you question those so much more capable than yourself. Its as though you put more faith into what your eyes see than of the EXPERTS within the industry. Again, I dont just say the judges, because judges sometimes make bad decisions. But the majority dont. The majority of fans (as expressed here), judges, former pros, writers and commentators ALL had Joe as the winner, thats a little hard to overcome all by yourself mate.

You still dont get it, i dont give a **** about the so called experts, i make my own decisions i dont follow what the experts say, im not into the groupie thing. And again, Dont alot of people saw the fight for hopkins, infact, ill even post up an a video of some dude who know about boxing, they give credence to nearly everything i said about the fight.

Once again, nothing personal, you actually cant judge a boxing fight. Seriously.

Cut the bull****, tell everyone how you scored the fight, i had it about 114-113 hopkins (extra point for KD)

How did you score it again?........please, make me laugh one more time, then ill post up a video of proper boxing fans analysing fights, and you can take notes.

[Kris Silver]

You still dont get it, i dont give a **** about the so called experts, i make my own decisions i dont follow what the experts say, im not into the groupie thing. And again, Dont alot of people saw the fight for hopkins, infact, ill even post up an a video of some dude who know about boxing, they give credence to nearly everything i said about the fight.

Once again, nothing personal, you actually cant judge a boxing fight. Seriously.

Cut the bull****, tell everyone how you scored the fight, i had it about 114-113 hopkins (extra point for KD)

How did you score it again?........please, make me laugh one more time, then ill post up a video of proper boxing fans analysing fights, and you can take notes.

You don't give a **** about anyone else judging or scoring a sports event, only your own. Dude you've shown your true colours and what the problem is right there, you so deeply cynical and arrogant, only your right. Well dude, of course people have different views, there's many people out there with all sorts of radical views that are indifferent to the view taken by the majority. This is a democracy, and partially a meritocracy.

You have no right and are in no qualified postion or have any clout to judge with such force that the professionals, judges, sports writers, commentators, ex boxers, current boxers, views, fans, the audience, press and many more, are wrong, and you are right.

It's quite laughable, to the point you can't expect to be taken seriously by anyone with such arrogant views of everyone else is wrong but you. This is why we have a democracy, to protect ourselves from arrogant fools whom think they know best.

Face it, you are in the serious minority, of not only world population in the millions whom have watched this fight and judged a winner, but the professionals within the sport itself aswell. To laugh at that majority that they cant be taken seriously, and your wrong, puts huge, profound clouds around your character, judgement, and sanity.

[Technical_Skill]

You don't give a **** about anyone else judging or scoring a sports event, only your own. Dude you've shown your true colours and what the problem is right there, you so deeply cynical and arrogant, only your right. Well dude, of course people have different views, there's many people out there with all sorts of radical views that are indifferent to the view taken by the majority. This is a democracy, and partially a meritocracy.

You have no right and are in no qualified postion or have any clout to judge with such force that the professionals, judges, sports writers, commentators, ex boxers, current boxers, views, fans, the audience, press and many more, are wrong, and you are right.

It's quite laughable, to the point you can't expect to be taken seriously by anyone with such arrogant views of everyone else is wrong but you. This is why we have a democracy, to protect ourselves from arrogant fools whom think they know best.

Face it, you are in the serious minority, of not only world population in the millions whom have watched this fight and judged a winner, but the professionals within the sport itself aswell. To laugh at that majority that they cant be taken seriously, and your wrong, puts huge, profound clouds around your character, judgement, and sanity.

Absolute nonsense, i am not forcing you to accept my ideals, therefore your talk of democracy is ****** at best, infact its better than ******, but it sounded nice, so you wrote it.


Tell me the experts who said calzaghe clearly won? List them, go on, show me who's opinion i am ignoring. Because for the last time, plenty of well informed boxing fans and apparently even fighters disagreed with the scoring.


So listen up Kofi Annan, this aint the ****ing UN, its boxing talk, and dont be so ****** as to make judgements about my entire character based on the judgement of a boxing championship fight.

Now before i post up this video, tell me how you scored the fight, come on, prove your not another calzaghe cum queen who cant tell the difference between landed and blocked punches.