Calzaghe-Hopkins: A Breakdown

[S A M U R A I]

At the end of the day..Joe Calzaghe struggled with a 43 year old fighter...That is a fact.

Burner, it's plain to see you just hate Joe Calzaghe and will do anything at all to discredit him. You seem to be completely obsessed with posting rubbish, but honestly man you will never change anyone's opinions. Never.

Both fighters struggled. Right? Or would you say Hopkins had an easy time with a 36 year old Calzaghe? LOL.

Hopkins and Calzaghe = two styles that will never gel. How exactly are you supposed to box someone who headbutts all the time anyway?

As I said in my opening post, count the amount of opponents who have actually looked good against Hopkins and been able to fight their usual fight. Go ahead. Do it right now, then post your thoughts.

I told you -- Hopkins has a style which makes people look bad. Calzaghe does the same thing. As Kessler said "Joe's style is to ruin your boxing".

Didn't Hopkins throw like 630 punches in the Wright fight?

Isn't that almost twice the number he threw in either Taylor fight?

Yes, in fact I think it was 640. I'm nitpicking, but the punch stats are out there somewhere.



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[Addison]

WRONG. It was because Hopkins has proven he ruins fighters styles and makes them look bad, even RJJ years ago when he didn't do it so well. Multi dimensional? All he had was defence, countering (still weren't able to be great against Joe hence record punches on Hops landed, and Joe not hurt). Then clinching, holding, butting, and time wasting. Hmmmm.

First multi dimensional fighter at such a high class? Two alone; Eubank was his hardest fight, and a a better multi dimensional opponent, for him at a young age. Kessler is 2nd in the SMW Division behind Calzaghe, would be no. 1 if it wasn't for him, and will be soon. If that's not very high class in your view, you need to wash you biased eyes out because your wrong. He was closer to beating Joe early on than Hops was with negativeness, and would beat Hops, which most agree on aswell.



Most inside and outside boxing disagree with you there as well. I think your confusing impatient, with aggression and actually wanting to fight. Whereas Hops ran, Joe wanted to punch, trade, and came out on top. He was patient, didn't get sloppy, and was cautious later on to Hops right hand. He's been patient, and adapted to opponents like this several times, your ignorant to say he's impatient. Hatton maybe, but not Calzaghe.



Don't read it then dude. It was a massive fight in 2008 and will be continued to be talked about like many big fights, for a long time into the future on a boxing forum, it's natural. Perhaps you don't like talking about it because your guy lost, otherwise I'm sure you'd complain less. If you don't like it, don't read it.



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OPINIONATED garbage. :wank:

Don't tell me what the **** to do with my time, IDIOT.

[Addison]

You are wrong about this Addison. To call the Hopkins we saw against Joe multi-dimensional is just an error. Hopkins had one idea and one idea only: Clinch, try and counter and make the fight scrappy.

Your description of Joe as impatient is perhaps true, but you could also say that he likes to dominate and make the fight a fight, attributes usually praised in a boxer.

Who is this younger, stronger fighter you propose? I don't see anyone better than Kessler in terms of power or skill out there, and we know what happened there.

You are usually a capable and good poster, but I have to say that in Calzaghe's case you do seem to be wilfully blind to the evidence of your eyes. Calzaghe has never been beaten and never been close to being knocked out, he has beaten exactly the type of fighters you describe and has just beaten a man in many people's top 10 p4p.

Maybe he didn't look good to you, but I for one cannot wait to see him get in the ring with RJJ, Tarver, Pavlik or Dawson. When he does, and beats whichever of them he faces, I hope you will finally stop criticising him so much.

Hopkins IS multi dimensional. GET IT?

Calzaghe is not the fighter you believe he is in my eyes, he is not the fighter I believe he is in your eyes - let's not get into quality of posters nonsense.

I don't know who the **** you are, you sure as **** don't know me, pal.

[S A M U R A I]

Wow. The agression here is getting out of hand. Dudes, it's just a boxing match. What the fuss?



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[Johnny Rebel]

Calzaghe clearly won at the worst 7 rounds and IMO 8 rounds. Two of the judges scored the fight correctly and the other was clearly biased by race or nationality.

Of course Calzaghe didn't look good. No fighter getting clinched, head-butted and put in numerous head-locks will look good, especially when the referee is not interested in being "fair or firm." Hopkins looked like he was either going to be knocked out or about to quit then got a much needed break by faking a low blow and the ref giving him 5 minutes even though he didn't see the low blow.

[βetamax]

Thirdly, have you watched the fight again? Without rose-colored lenses on? Have you looked at the exchanges in slo-mo? I have found all of the shots where Calzaghe made contact, and I could make a little clip of them - but it was still very, very few. He simply was not making contact. He was hitting Bernard's shoulder, the back of his head, and his hips all night long, surely - but he was not scoring very often. At all. Natas said it was hard finding clips of Calzaghe landind for GIFS?? Yeah, well it was hard to score rounds for him for the same reason..

I just watched the fight last night for the first time on HBO (I saw it live) and had to watch certain exchanges in slow motion to determine what was landing, and addison, you are exactly right. I already made thread earlier in the day about what a joke the Compubox stats were since I counted punches for the first 3 rounds for Calzaghe and I came up with about 50% less (being generous) then Compubox and 90% of these "power punches" were TAPS during clinches.

There were rounds where Calzaghe was being aggressive, letting off flurries but almost NOTHING was landing yet in the same round Hopkins would land 2-3 clean, effective punches and I gave those rounds to Hopkins based on his defense and clean/effective punching. Calzaghe on the other hand was really only proving ineffective aggressiveness.

There were other rounds where Hopkins and Calzaghe landed a close to equal amount of punches, mainly in the middle to late rounds, and since they were even I gave those rounds to Calzaghe for his aggressiveness. I only favor aggressiveness as a way of determining an otherwise equal round as far as landed punches.

I scored the fight 114-113 for Hopkins. If I didn't have the luxury of slow-motion and the ability to re-watch (and re-watch) the fight I may have scored it for Calzaghe so I'm not really mad at the decision though I disagree with it.

[βetamax]

Two of the judges scored the fight correctly and the other was clearly biased by race or nationality.

I KNEW people would bring up Bryd's decision because she's black. What I find funny is that no one brings up Giampa's lopsided score as being biased because they are both Italian/white.

[Vladimir303]

First multi dimensional fighter at such a high class? Two alone; Eubank was his hardest fight, and a a better multi dimensional opponent, for him at a young age. G]

Hopkins is a Multi-Dimensional fighter. He used to be known as an inside fighter before his fight with Tito and then he showed us his great boxing skills and counter punching.

He is also great at game plans. Against Calzaghe he simply didn't put out enough offensively and his 43 year old age showed. He grew old overnight in that ring but he still held his own as it was a hard to score fight.

[Addison]

Hopkins is a Multi-Dimensional fighter. He used to be known as an inside fighter before his fight with Tito and then he showed us his great boxing skills and counter punching.

He is also great at game plans. Against Calzaghe he simply didn't put out enough offensively and his 43 year old age showed. He grew old overnight in that ring but he still held his own as it was a hard to score fight.

Just look at this peeon's posting habits. If Technical skill is calling him a cum drinker the guy is a ****ing cum drinker. Don't waste your time, V303.

[Addison]

Wow. The agression here is getting out of hand. Dudes, it's just a boxing match. What the fuss?

When it gets turned into a personal attack because a fanboy doesn't like criticism it's gone too far. You, ease off on attacking people personally and calling them haters yourself. It's getting OLD.