Rulebook For Claiming Robbery

[Fox McCloud]

Mayweather-Castilo 1 is one of those fights you really have to pay close attention to. Mayweather was blocking and making Castillo miss with some of those bodyshots and there is no doubt that it was a close fight, but you really have to pay close attention to these things.

Round 8 in that fight is a classic example. I was rewatching this fight for the umpteenth time and one day I was just watching kinda focusing on other things and Castillo does really good with his agression in this round even when he got the point deducted.

Or so I thought. I found it strange that I scored it this time even when all the others times I had scored that round 10-8 for Mayweather. I went back and rewatched it again right away paying attention this time. When you do, you can clearly see Castillo's shots missing or blocked and then Mayweather countering.

Also, DiegoFuego is right. Harold Ledderman is usually horrible when scoring Mayweather fights. Jesus Chavez vs Floyd Mayweather, he scored round 1 for Chavez when Mayweather clearly outlanded him. Not just on Copubox, but just in general. Jim Lampley had to say "Wait Harold, you scored round 1 for Chavez, is that correct?" when Harold was giving his score.

They need to fire Harold and replace him with Larry and then just put Max in all the time too.

And that is why I have no problem with people scoring it for Mayweather. But there definately is not an exact correct way to score a partially blocked body shot from Castillo. Obviously it still going to do some damage, so it depends on how much credit a judge gives a fighter for a partial land.

Am I right?

The same rings true for the rematch. A 7-5 scorecard is not ridiculous, because Floyd is a master at slipping punches, but a lot of times, when he blocks with his gloves, the punches get at least partially through.

[Addison]

Robbery
Vernon Forrest - Ike Quartey
Close Fight
Hopkins - Calzaghe

[warp1432]

Oh of course. I have no problem with people scoring the first fight for Castillo, but people shouldn't claim it was a robbery.

I'd also like to say even if the punches get partially through, it still shouldn't count as much as flush shots that Floyd (or anyone in a simiular situation) land. Mayweather Castillo 1 though also had Castillo landing some shots so it's harder to score. Round 8 however is a round that shouldn't be scored even and should be scored for Mayweather.

[Dorian]

Vernon Forrest won 1 round in the whole fight

[Fox McCloud]

I am a Forrest fan that is saying that I see no possible way that Forrest won that fight.

Oh of course. I have no problem with people scoring the first fight for Castillo, but people shouldn't claim it was a robbery.

I'd also like to say even if the punches get partially through, it still shouldn't count as much as flush shots that Floyd (or anyone in a simiular situation) land. Mayweather Castillo 1 though also had Castillo landing some shots so it's harder to score. Round 8 however is a round that shouldn't be scored even and should be scored for Mayweather.

Here's the real problem with scoring that fight. I think that both power and resistance to damage can and should be factored into a fight. Castillo had good power, and an incredible chin, both of which will work in his favor. A flush shot from Floyd that he doesn't put his weight into would count for some points in a round, but a full power, half-blocked shot from Castillo might do as much damage with what parts of it got through. This is the kind of stuff that makes scoring so difficult and why a variety of different scorecards are correct IMO.

And yes, I know you don't think Mayweather-Castillo I was a robbery... you are pretty intelligent.

[Fox McCloud]

Another Mayweather-Castillo I thread.

[Dorian]

theres a difference between close fights and robberys...........

[Ryn0]

Since everyone seems to think that every close fight is a robbery (and blatantly incorrectly so), I figured I would put a rulebook together to let everyone know when to use the word and when not to. Just a reminder to everyone that robbery means that someone intentionally took the fight away from the winner. That means a robbery cannot be based on someone being an idiot and not knowing how to effectively judge. The argument "Harold Lederman" can't score for ****, is not an effective defense for claiming robbery.

1. The fighter who is "robbed" has to win at least 7 rounds beyond any doubt whatsoever (barring any knockdowns or point deductions). These rounds that are won beyond any certainty are going to be called "lock rounds". This means that if there is any argument whatsoever that a certain fighter won the round at all, then it can't be used as a lock round.

2. You cannot watch and score the fight in question on sopcast. You need to have an actual, clear, unobstructed view of the fight to make such a bold statement.

3. Harold Lederman cannot agree with the judging panel if it is a robbery. Since the judging panel would need to intentionally take the fight away from a fighter, they would obviously be motivated against that person. Why the **** would Harold Lederman be motivated to rob someone when his scorecard doesn't mean anything? This also rings true for Showtime's press row scoring.

4. You have to have seen all 3 minutes of all 12 rounds in order to make a call on whether it is a robbery or not. For all you know, the 8th round that you missed was a 10-8 round against the guy you thought won. No judging may be made based on highlight videos either.

5. A knockdown is not an automatic victory. Just because one fighter got their ass kicked for one of the 12 rounds does not mean that they automatically lose the fight. Saying "How could Pacquiao lose? Did you see what he did to Marquez in the first round?" makes you an idiot. A 10-6 round can easily be negated by 4 10-9 rounds the other way. That would give a score of 46-46, and there are still 7 rounds to go.

With that said, quit ****ing calling every fight a robbery. Pavlik-Taylor II was not a robbery. Calzaghe-Hopkins was not a robbery. Casamayor-Santa Cruz was a robbery. See the difference?

GET EVERYONE TO SIG THE LINK TO THIS THREAD and then refer to it later on when there is a close fight

[Fox McCloud]

GET EVERYONE TO SIG THE LINK TO THIS THREAD and then refer to it later on when there is a close fight

We don't even need to do that.

I just continually bump it whenever some moron claims robbery.

[T-97]

We don't even need to do that.

I just continually bump it whenever some moron claims robbery.

Hav ever said what a great thread this is?