Rulebook For Claiming Robbery

[DiegoFuego]

Got a few complaints with this. You can't hold any weight to those press row scores because I have seen some downright HORRIBLE ones. In the Woods-Tarver fight, one of those guys (he was British, go figure) had Woods winning like 5 or 6 rounds. Harold Lederman also brings a lot of bias to his card as well. He gave Hatton like 3 rounds against Mayweather for crying out loud and had Castillo WINNING. The dude has judged Mayweather fights very poorly throughout his time with HBO. While those cards don't mean anything, they are something a losing fighter's fans will point to and say LOOK MY GUY WON HERE. The only card I ever pay attention to is Al Bernstein's because I don't think that guy can be wrong on anything boxing related.

[Fox McCloud]

Got a few complaints with this. You can't hold any weight to those press row scores because I have seen some downright HORRIBLE ones. In the Woods-Tarver fight, one of those guys (he was British, go figure) had Woods winning like 5 or 6 rounds. Harold Lederman also brings a lot of bias to his card as well. He gave Hatton like 3 rounds against Mayweather for crying out loud and had Castillo WINNING. The dude has judged Mayweather fights very poorly throughout his time with HBO. While those cards don't mean anything, they are something a losing fighter's fans will point to and say LOOK MY GUY WON HERE. The only card I ever pay attention to is Al Bernstein's because I don't think that guy can be wrong on anything boxing related.

You think giving 3 rounds to Hatton is an impossibility?

You think having Castillo winning the first fight is beyond the realm of possibility too?

Hmmm... you might want to try to score a Mayweather fight fairly sometime.

The Woods score on press row is ridiculous though. But in the case of the Dawson fight, when 2 out of the 3 press row scorers had Dawson winning, which confirms that there is at least a rational basis for Dawson getting the W.

[DiegoFuego]

If you gave Hatton three rounds, you don't need to be anywhere near judging a fight. That fight was a ****ing massacre on points and bloodshed.

If you didn't give Mayweather 5 of the first 6 rounds against Castillo, then you cannot judge a ****ing fight. So how does Lederman have Castillo winning by four points if Mayweather wins 5 of the first 6? Because he's biased as ****. I think he had their second fight close too when it was like 9 rounds to 3 he had it like 7-5.

[Fox McCloud]

If you gave Hatton three rounds, you don't need to be anywhere near judging a fight. That fight was a ****ing massacre on points and bloodshed.

If you didn't give Mayweather 5 of the first 6 rounds against Castillo, then you cannot judge a ****ing fight. So how does Lederman have Castillo winning by four points if Mayweather wins 5 of the first 6? Because he's biased as ****. I think he had their second fight close too when it was like 9 rounds to 3 he had it like 7-5.

Lol at you scoring the rematch 117-111 and then talking about people not being allowed near a fight.

You should call up HBO and see if they need a replacement for Lederman.

[Dorian]

Robbery
Vernon Forrest - Ike Quartey

Close Fight
Hopkins - Calzaghe

[warp1432]

Lol at you scoring the rematch 117-111 and then talking about people not being allowed near a fight.

You should call up HBO and see if they need a replacement for Lederman.

9-3 for the rematch isn't bad at all. I don't see how people got 7-5. At worst 8-4.

Got a few complaints with this. You can't hold any weight to those press row scores because I have seen some downright HORRIBLE ones. In the Woods-Tarver fight, one of those guys (he was British, go figure) had Woods winning like 5 or 6 rounds. Harold Lederman also brings a lot of bias to his card as well. He gave Hatton like 3 rounds against Mayweather for crying out loud and had Castillo WINNING. The dude has judged Mayweather fights very poorly throughout his time with HBO. While those cards don't mean anything, they are something a losing fighter's fans will point to and say LOOK MY GUY WON HERE. The only card I ever pay attention to is Al Bernstein's because I don't think that guy can be wrong on anything boxing related.

2 things:

1. You could give round 4 to Castillo in the first 5 rounds of Mayweather Castillo 1.

2. Al Bernstein scored ****ing Casamayor Corrales 2, like 10-2 for Corrales

[Fox McCloud]

9-3 for the rematch isn't bad at all. I don't see how people got 7-5. At worst 8-4.



2 things:

1. You could give round 4 to Castillo in the first 5 rounds of Mayweather Castillo 1.

2. Al Bernstein scored ****ing Casamayor Corrales 2, like 10-2 for Corrales

9-3 for the rematch is a little excessive IMO. 7-5 or 8-4 is about right I think. And I'm a lot more open to the idea of it now that you said it, rather than someone who claimed that giving three rounds to Hatton is absurd and having Castillo winning the first fight is absurd as well. Both of those fights could be scored a variety of ways.

And honestly, this goes hand-in-hand with what I am saying for this thread. Mayweather really never locks rounds down by winning them so convincingly that he can't lose. Castillo had some power on those body shots that he threw in both fights. It's not inconceivable that a judge might give him more credit for one than someone else does, because it is impossible to get a 100% accurate perception of how much a punch hurts. It is all subjective.

[squealpiggy]

Something else: A split or majority decisions does not necessarily mean a closer fight than a unianimous decision and just because a fighter wins all of the rounds doesn't mean that it wasn't a close fight. You could have a fight with one guy losing the first six fairly even rounds then pasting his opponent for the remainder including a knockdown in the 12th for a 114-113 victory that is more one-sided than a back and fourth 120-108 fight in which the loser only just lost all the rounds.

Calzaghe - Hopkins was a case of a lot of close rounds being called for Calzaghe. If Hopkins was doing "anything he wanted" to Calzaghe then he might have been more dominant in more rounds. Come to think of it if he was doing "whatever he wanted" does that mean he "wanted" to feign injury to get a rest?

[warp1432]

Mayweather-Castilo 1 is one of those fights you really have to pay close attention to. Mayweather was blocking and making Castillo miss with some of those bodyshots and there is no doubt that it was a close fight, but you really have to pay close attention to these things.

Round 8 in that fight is a classic example. I was rewatching this fight for the umpteenth time and one day I was just watching kinda focusing on other things and Castillo does really good with his agression in this round even when he got the point deducted.

Or so I thought. I found it strange that I scored it this time even when all the others times I had scored that round 10-8 for Mayweather. I went back and rewatched it again right away paying attention this time. When you do, you can clearly see Castillo's shots missing or blocked and then Mayweather countering.

Also, DiegoFuego is right. Harold Ledderman is usually horrible when scoring Mayweather fights. Jesus Chavez vs Floyd Mayweather, he scored round 1 for Chavez when Mayweather clearly outlanded him. Not just on Copubox, but just in general. Jim Lampley had to say "Wait Harold, you scored round 1 for Chavez, is that correct?" when Harold was giving his score.

They need to fire Harold and replace him with Larry and then just put Max in all the time too.

[warp1432]

Something else: A split or majority decisions does not necessarily mean a closer fight than a unianimous decision and just because a fighter wins all of the rounds doesn't mean that it wasn't a close fight. You could have a fight with one guy losing the first six fairly even rounds then pasting his opponent for the remainder including a knockdown in the 12th for a 114-113 victory that is more one-sided than a back and fourth 120-108 fight in which the loser only just lost all the rounds.

Calzaghe - Hopkins was a case of a lot of close rounds being called for Calzaghe. If Hopkins was doing "anything he wanted" to Calzaghe then he might have been more dominant in more rounds. Come to think of it if he was doing "whatever he wanted" does that mean he "wanted" to feign injury to get a rest?

But could have gone to Hopkins. Calzaghe-Hopkins was a fight that had rounds that could have gone to either fighter and by no means a robbery.