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time to re ignite the breakdownComment
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Unfortunately I read somewhere the other day (I think it was one of the Pavlik-Calzaghe isn't gunna heppen articles) that this fight will be at 175. Now, this is a good thing in the sense that Roy isn't going to die making weight, and will be probably in better shape. However, it was ROY who kept saying he wanted to fight at 168, and he showed a LOT of confidence in making 169.5 against Tito, because he knew it would pay off being thrust back into a semi big fight.
Isn't Joe being stripped of most of his belts at SMW? He hasn' fought there since November, I know Kessler just wont he WBA Vacant strap, does Joe still have the WBO and WBC and Ring belts?Comment
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Roy's fans are pretty cool, but they expect too much. Remember before the third Tarver fight all the Roy fans were going around saying he's back and all this nonsense. Then Roy got in the ring and couldn't do anything because he was afraid of getting hit.
If Roy wins this fight, Calzaghe is pretty much finished. No way would I ever consider this guy to have been a great fighter if he loses to an old, faded and honestly he's probably shot Roy Jones Jr. Roy has been done for a few years. No way should he even be competitive in this fight the way he's looked since 2004.Comment
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What about defense?....I know roy isnt what he used to be.
I know his legs dont move like they used to move, and that his lateral movement isnt quite there anymore... which is why I give credit to a veteran fighter for switching his style up this late in the game... Hold your hands up winky style.. so you can see all the punches coming in, using your still intact hand eye coordination to block those punches and look for quick counters, instead of using slowed reflexes to move out of the way with your chin hanging out there...
It takes a lot for someone whose been fighting one way there entire career to switch things up, because they realize they cant quite do it like they used to do it. With that said, lets look at the abilities...
Work Rate: Will absolutely goto Joe... If theres one thing Joe Calzaghe is known for its his work rate. He throws lots of punches, and you better keep up, or your going to lose.
But what Bernard showed is that a great counter puncher will slow anyones work rate down.
Hand speed, Accuracy, and Power: all go to Roy... Hand speed is the only CLOSE candidate, as Joes hands arent exactly slow... AT ALL... But I think the conensus around here would agree Roy still has the hand speed advantage.... and this is what off sets Joe's workrate... Fast hard hands that can hit you at any time, is a problem for a volume puncher. Volumes of punches, leaves volumes of openings. I think accuracy and power are no brainers, as Roy only shoots shots off when he sees openings, and his power is also a no brainer.
Chin: I would give this edge to Joe... obviously with Joe coming up in weight, hes going to have bigger more powerful guys hitting him... and it showed that in the Bernard fight... although I realize it was a flash knockdown... So im not too concerned about Joe's chin, I know he has a great chin... Roys chin.. well, we all know that story... I personally feel the "china chinned" Jones has been slightly exaggerated... People tend to think if a piece of paper hit him in the face he would go into convulsions... Its simply not the case... And Joe doesnt quite hit like an Antonio Tarver, and Roy knows this full well.
Stamina: This edge also goes to Joe.. as hes used to going full 12 rounds always throwing punches... In Roys last 3 fights... Knowing full well none of his last 3 fights are the equivelent of a Joe Calzaghe, But Roy has shown little fatigue in his fights... even with his fight against Hanshaw, where he fought off the ropes for 3/4 of the fight... if you actually watch the fight... his defense was in practice, and he was countering right back all 12 rounds, dropping him in the 11th. Stamina... still goes to Joe, Hands down. But I think Roy has about twice the stamina Bernard has, as Bernard slowed down by the 4 - 5th rounds, and Roys hands stay fully effective all 12 rounds.
Interest: Why is this fight interesting? For me... its more on the Roy side... not because im a fan of his... but more to see, does he still have one more big fight in him... what if he wins? what if he does? what will that do to his career? will it erase some of the sour taste we were left with from 2004-2005? Where will it place him as an ATG? Roy back on the p4p List?!?! what?!
My Personal reason for thinking Roy can win: If theres one thing that we saw in the Bernard fight, that worked against Joe... it was the straight right hand. The only problem was, after 4 or 5 rounds, Bernard lost his speed and his pop... I believe Roy can throw Faster, more accurate, and more powerful straight right hands, an entire 12 rounds.. with the same pop. Also, Bernard didnt throw ANY combinations.. it was ONE straight right hand, and clinch... EVen this old dicrepid cane walking senior citizen roy... still throws combinations, there still fast, still accurate, and still powerful... Should be interesting... and Im definitely going to the fight... anyone else?!??!?!
Joe has the edge in the fight, Roy is the underdog...
Roy should lose this fight...
But when the bell rings... it doesnt matter what your record is... its the blue corner vs the red corner. ding ding.
But yea that's pretty much the best assesment you can get, Although the Accuracy is something I would contest as being very close. Joe wasn't very accurate against Hopkins but Hopkins has a World class Defense. His accuracy against Lacy and Kessler though was about 37% i think?Comment
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I think Roy will do better in this fight, because of what he keeps saying: He's having fun again. His fights after losing 3 times in a row against Ajamu and Hanshaw, they were both C- fighters, and Roy just wanted to stay active basically. Then when he fought Tito, although a ring rusty 10 lbs over his right weight Tito, he looked fantastic, and it was because he had fun int he build up, and it was a fight that generated a LOT of interest, especially from Puerto Ricans, shown by the over 500,000 who purchased it on PPV.
I think Roy knows this is his last big fight. He'll make really good money especially since GBP is involoved, and he'll give it everything he has. Roy's about to cap off a Hall of Fame career with a HUGE fight against the 2nd best P4P (to some people, THE best) fighter in the world today, and if Pacquiao loses to Diaz, he will be going up against the undisputed P4P #1 best fighter in the world. If he wins, these are the kinds of things you can only dream about. I wish it were at 168, though, just for the history if Roy won:
Winning belts at MW
Winning belts at SMW
UNDISPUTED LHW champion
WBA Heavyweight Champion
Moves back down to 175, and reclaims the LHW title
MOVES BACK TO 168, and wins the UNDISPUTED 168 lb title
I just went from 6 to Midnight
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I guess the thing about Roy's followers are the fact that the intelligent ones admit he's lost more than a couple steps from his game - but they rated him, possibly with some fair basis- so highly prior to his downfall, that they wonder what he truly has left. I mean, for example, if Floyd stayed retired for three straight years - when he came back, would he still beat Gatti or Baldomir in any fashion similar to the first fights? Most would say yes, because Floyd was so far ahead of them in ability that, even after such a long lay off, he'd outclass them.
That's what Roy fans seem to do. I guess it's valid in it's own way....but he relied so much on reflexes that aren't what they used to be, that often Roy just can't measure up to what his believers hope he'll show.
I think the summary in this thread is pretty accurate, other than the fact that Roy hasn't done enough recently to make a Calzaghe loss acceptable. Like Diego said- most people think he's pretty far gone. Who has he proven his recent worth against? Prince? Hanshaw? An old, ring rusted Tito? I see why Joe is taking the fight, it's a big name, but Roy has far more to gain than Calzaghe does. I mean, if he loses he'll just be an old fighter who lost to a younger, undefeated man.Comment
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I think Roy will do better in this fight, because of what he keeps saying: He's having fun again. His fights after losing 3 times in a row against Ajamu and Hanshaw, they were both C- fighters, and Roy just wanted to stay active basically. Then when he fought Tito, although a ring rusty 10 lbs over his right weight Tito, he looked fantastic, and it was because he had fun int he build up, and it was a fight that generated a LOT of interest, especially from Puerto Ricans, shown by the over 500,000 who purchased it on PPV.
I think Roy knows this is his last big fight. He'll make really good money especially since GBP is involoved, and he'll give it everything he has. Roy's about to cap off a Hall of Fame career with a HUGE fight against the 2nd best P4P (to some people, THE best) fighter in the world today, and if Pacquiao loses to Diaz, he will be going up against the undisputed P4P #1 best fighter in the world. If he wins, these are the kinds of things you can only dream about. I wish it were at 168, though, just for the history if Roy won:
Winning belts at MW
Winning belts at SMW
UNDISPUTED LHW champion
WBA Heavyweight Champion
Moves back down to 175, and reclaims the LHW title
MOVES BACK TO 168, and wins the UNDISPUTED 168 lb title
I just went from 6 to Midnight
lol thats what people are missing... the importance of this fight.. for roy
if roy wins... it will be an unbelievable nightComment
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