My Breakdown Of Roy Vs Joe

[rambov]

Roy will KO Joe. Simple and Plain. Joe is a good boxer but I think he thinks that Roy is old hence taking the fight

[TheGR8TESTOAT]

I know roy isnt what he used to be.

I know his legs dont move like they used to move, and that his lateral movement isnt quite there anymore... which is why I give credit to a veteran fighter for switching his style up this late in the game... Hold your hands up winky style.. so you can see all the punches coming in, using your still intact hand eye coordination to block those punches and look for quick counters, instead of using slowed reflexes to move out of the way with your chin hanging out there...

It takes a lot for someone whose been fighting one way there entire career to switch things up, because they realize they cant quite do it like they used to do it. With that said, lets look at the abilities...

Work Rate: Will absolutely goto Joe... If theres one thing Joe Calzaghe is known for its his work rate. He throws lots of punches, and you better keep up, or your going to lose.

But what Bernard showed is that a great counter puncher will slow anyones work rate down.

Hand speed, Accuracy, and Power: all go to Roy... Hand speed is the only CLOSE candidate, as Joes hands arent exactly slow... AT ALL... But I think the conensus around here would agree Roy still has the hand speed advantage.... and this is what off sets Joe's workrate... Fast hard hands that can hit you at any time, is a problem for a volume puncher. Volumes of punches, leaves volumes of openings. I think accuracy and power are no brainers, as Roy only shoots shots off when he sees openings, and his power is also a no brainer.

Chin: I would give this edge to Joe... obviously with Joe coming up in weight, hes going to have bigger more powerful guys hitting him... and it showed that in the Bernard fight... although I realize it was a flash knockdown... So im not too concerned about Joe's chin, I know he has a great chin... Roys chin.. well, we all know that story... I personally feel the "china chinned" Jones has been slightly exaggerated... People tend to think if a piece of paper hit him in the face he would go into convulsions... Its simply not the case... And Joe doesnt quite hit like an Antonio Tarver, and Roy knows this full well.

Stamina: This edge also goes to Joe.. as hes used to going full 12 rounds always throwing punches... In Roys last 3 fights... Knowing full well none of his last 3 fights are the equivelent of a Joe Calzaghe, But Roy has shown little fatigue in his fights... even with his fight against Hanshaw, where he fought off the ropes for 3/4 of the fight... if you actually watch the fight... his defense was in practice, and he was countering right back all 12 rounds, dropping him in the 11th. Stamina... still goes to Joe, Hands down. But I think Roy has about twice the stamina Bernard has, as Bernard slowed down by the 4 - 5th rounds, and Roys hands stay fully effective all 12 rounds.

Interest: Why is this fight interesting? For me... its more on the Roy side... not because im a fan of his... but more to see, does he still have one more big fight in him... what if he wins? what if he does? what will that do to his career? will it erase some of the sour taste we were left with from 2004-2005? Where will it place him as an ATG? Roy back on the p4p List?!?! what?!

My Personal reason for thinking Roy can win: If theres one thing that we saw in the Bernard fight, that worked against Joe... it was the straight right hand. The only problem was, after 4 or 5 rounds, Bernard lost his speed and his pop... I believe Roy can throw Faster, more accurate, and more powerful straight right hands, an entire 12 rounds.. with the same pop. Also, Bernard didnt throw ANY combinations.. it was ONE straight right hand, and clinch... EVen this old dicrepid cane walking senior citizen roy... still throws combinations, there still fast, still accurate, and still powerful... Should be interesting... and Im definitely going to the fight... anyone else?!??!?!

Joe has the edge in the fight, Roy is the underdog...

Roy should lose this fight...

But when the bell rings... it doesnt matter what your record is... its the blue corner vs the red corner. ding ding.

i say rjj UD or SD. id love to see a tko or KO but roy hasnt knocked anyone out since clinton woods and roys like being nice these days and purposely allows his opponents to finish the distance.

good job with this i gave ya green karma reps

[luv3s2sp00g3]

Great post dude. I agree with you on every point you made. I definitely think Vegas will have this fight at 60/40 Calzaghe AT BEST. I was really looking forward to Calzaghe matching up against Pavlik at first. But you do make a point. JONES BEATING #2 P4P? And at his age? Dayum.

[BRAVE-HEART]

Great post OP. Im also hoping jones can turn it around. The only thing im scared of, is another calzaghe vs manfreddo situation. Where jones is on the ropes in his turtle defence. Calslappy is throwing out 100 slaps a second and BOOM referee stops the fight even though there is nothing wrong with jones.

[abadger]

Roy will KO Joe. Simple and Plain. Joe is a good boxer but I think he thinks that Roy is old hence taking the fight

Hmm. Calzaghe never been KOd, Jones hasn't KOd anyone in six years and Roy is almost 40 years old.

I would love to hear the reasoning by which you arrived at your conclusions.

[Dan...]

Hmm. Calzaghe never been KOd, Jones hasn't KOd anyone in six years and Roy is almost 40 years old.

I would love to hear the reasoning by which you arrived at your conclusions.

Pretty clear he has no valid reason for it. IMO anyone who says a stoppage is possible on either side is absolutely kidding themselves. It is going the 12 for sure.

[abadger]

Pretty clear he has no valid reason for it. IMO anyone who says a stoppage is possible on either side is absolutely kidding themselves. It is going the 12 for sure.

I agree it will likely go for 12, but I don't think its impossible that Calzaghe stops Jones at all. I seriously doubt an outright KO but a TKO based on taking shots without replying is definitely possible.

What I think people are forgetting in this fight is that right now in 2008 Calzaghe really is the real deal, dominant at 168 and a champ at 175, whereas Jones really is shot. The reason Jones hasn't faced any of the yop 175 guys recently is because he can't compete with them, so how are people expecting him to compete with Calzaghe?

[Dan...]

I agree it will likely go for 12, but I don't think its impossible that Calzaghe stops Jones at all. I seriously doubt an outright KO but a TKO based on taking shots without replying is definitely possible.

What I think people are forgetting in this fight is that right now in 2008 Calzaghe really is the real deal, dominant at 168 and a champ at 175, whereas Jones really is shot. The reason Jones hasn't faced any of the yop 175 guys recently is because he can't compete with them, so how are people expecting him to compete with Calzaghe?

Yeah, I think there is no way Joe KOs Roy. He just doesn't have the power. Joe is not prime Joe anymore either. The only stoppages he gets now are against sub-standard opponents. Joe's fight plan will involve out-working Roy. He will not load up on his shots, just like he didn't against Hopkins. It will be a very similar fight I think.

[COLINSRI]

JC will control the centre of the ring.......RJ is getting tko'd.



........lets hope its not JC last fight......i'm sure it will be RJ last fight.

[abadger]

Yeah, I think there is no way Joe KOs Roy. He just doesn't have the power. Joe is not prime Joe anymore either. The only stoppages he gets now are against sub-standard opponents. Joe's fight plan will involve out-working Roy. He will not load up on his shots, just like he didn't against Hopkins. It will be a very similar fight I think.

I am really looking forward to seeing how Calzaghe performs. We will get to see if the relatively poor showing against Hopkins was down to Hopkins style or whether Joe has really begun falling off, or both. His great performance against Kessler really wasn't that long ago, and at this point Jones on paper is an inferior fighter than Kessler, so in theory calzaghe should look pretty good. If he doesn't win in dominant fashion I would say he should definitely retire.

As for how similar it will be to the Hopkins fight, I don't think it will be that similar to be honest. Jones is not a Hopkins level spoiler and I don't think he has the physical strength that Hopkins had against Calzaghe, and which was one of the main reasons Hopkins clinching tactics worked so well. I don't know what to expect to be honest, I could imagine anything from a boring 12 round distance boxing match to an explosive early rounds Calzaghe stoppage. I'm looking forward to it.