IS Manny Pacqiuao the best?

[Sealhound]

I had the JMM rematch 114-113 Pac, I scored it the same as Leaderman except the last round

[Clegg]

Don't be a hypocrite.

A pacfan admires COURAGE, HONOR, DIGNITY, STRENGTH OF CHARACTER, SPECTACULAR WINS...

Since you are a Fake Floyd fan...

Those notions are alien to you.

So don't pretend to be a Pacfan dude.

Because a man who values COURAGE, DIGNITY, HONOR, ETC will puke at what Fake Floyd the coward is doing right now...

And yet you have him as your p4p.

What a fcking hypocrite you are dude.

You're saying that everyone who like Pac but considers Floyd to be p4p#1 is a hypocrite?

Floyd is considered by most people to be p4p#1. Pac is liked by most people because of his talents and his exciting style. By your definition most people are hypocrites.

Would someone have to rate Gatti as p4p#1(when he was active) to be considered a true fan?

[Left Hook Tua]

I had the JMM rematch 114-113 Pac, I scored it the same as Leaderman except the last round

i had it the same 114-113 for manny when i watched it again just to score it.

i tried to be as objective as i could and that's what i came out with. to be honest with you a lot of the rounds i didn't know who to give it to so i can see how others could see it the other way. i don't know how people claim robbery though.

[Nicky_Hatton]

yeah. i like joe. i think he has great skills. the only question mark i had about him was his level of competition. would've liked to see him against hopkins , toney , jones , etc. a few years back when those guys were in their prime. i don't know if he could have beaten them but aside from maybe roy i think he would've been competitive.

frank warren? didn't he promote hamed too? maybe that's why he got gunshy about taking joe to america?

Nah he's gunshy cause he got shut.

I think it is partly down to the fighter as well though in terms of ambition. Hatton left Warren and look how his career has flourished.

You can't blame him for risking his investment though.

[JoartCC]

You're saying that everyone who like Pac but considers Floyd to be p4p#1 is a hypocrite?

Floyd is considered by most people to be p4p#1. Pac is liked by most people because of his talents and his exciting style. By your definition most people are hypocrites.

Would someone have to rate Gatti as p4p#1(when he was active) to be considered a true fan?

Most people?

Americans don't know him.

Media or a growing majority despises him, more and more recognize him for being a *****.

A pacfan is a fan who upholds COURAGE, DIGNITY, and HONOR.

Qualities that Fake FLoyd never possessed.

A lover of punks and cowards will of course defend Fake FLoyd to the very end.

[JoartCC]

first off. those are all good traits but hardly needed in boxing. does tyson have dignity? honor?

second. i'm not a floyd fan. i watch his fights mostly when it's free on hbo. i cough up ppv money only for his big fights. that being said i don't like how floyd acts and i don't like that he hasn't fought cotto or margarito yet just like almost everyone else. the reason he's #1 on my p4p is because of his skills and his previous record. castillo was no easy fight at 135. corrales was a monster at 130. i just judge him fairly.

as for me not being a pacman fan. who are you to say who i'm a fan of or not? i have watched every single fight he's had since the ledwaba fight. if it's about like or dislike i would have him no. 1 instead no. 2 on my list but it's not all about who you like. i look at it objectively. manny is great and one can argue he has fought better opposition than floyd and fought better as well but p4p is resume AND skills. as great as manny is , to think he has better skills than floyd is just ignorant.

Tyson had enough honor to fight the best.

That in itself shoved every word you can spew back into your mouth.

The diffrence between the 2 of us is that I value courage and a dignified disposition more than flashes of brilliance.

You on the other hand value the words of a punk who pisses himself.

It's all so simple.

As a boxer, Pac's qualities puts him miles ahead of Fake Floyd.

Pac has fought the best
Fake Floyd has ducked the best
Pac fights with pride and honor
Fake Floyd fights like a *****, hugging ala Ruiz and throwing 30 punches per round, fouling the same number

And for your education...

p4p is based on skill. I do hope your brains know that.

Skill is measured by the level of opposition one has fought.

That's common sense.

Skill isn't measured by flashes but by the who's who in one's resume.

Dude that's another common sense.

And when p4p was pertained to Robinson...

I'll bet sure as a smelly dung-**** that p4p doesnt pertain to cowards and ducks.

Last time I looked Robinson fought everyone.

And so your education for now should be sufficient.

Use a little common sense dude. It's the lowest form of intelligence yet you Fake Floyd fans seem to never possess it.

Pity.

[bestboxingonly]

I wont argue but I can't see why floyd had better oppositons than him. please explain

[loui_ludwig]

straight left. he's a southpaw.

how'd you score the fight nicky? i had it 114-113 manny scoring it the 2nd time around as objectively as i can but there are a lot of rounds that could've gone either way. weird thing is i scored the 7th for manny and all 3 judges scored that round for juan so i can see it either way as well.

i think he got lucky as in the close decision went for him instead of juan which it could very well have gone to. but i don't think he got lucky in that he lost the fight clearly but was given a gift. the fight was just close and i think it always will be against those 2. they are perfect to fight each other. each's strength goes against the other's weakness.

Just llike you, i scored the 11th round to Pacquiao but the judges scored it for JMM. Pacquiao was landing punches while JMM, even though countrer punching, was hitting gloves and air. I had it 7 rounds to 5 Pacquiao.

[loui_ludwig]

I had the JMM rematch 114-113 Pac, I scored it the same as Leaderman except the last round

Ha? Lederman had it 115-112 for Pacquiao.

[loui_ludwig]

JMM was not rob of anything. Even the media and fans who scored it for JMM said it wasn't. The fight was closed and it could go either way.

They have judges to score the fight because if you let fans score it, there will be bias. Like one boxing site said, the judges sees something diffirent about the fight than us fans, who are watching it on tv.

It might be a split decion win cuz of that knockdown, but Pac beat JMM, fair and square.