If Hopkins's face compared to Calzaghe's was an indication that he won, then....

[2501]

Paul Williams also lost against Margarito.

[Scott9945]

If you score fights by how someones face looks, then body punches must not count I guess.

[Killa Cam]

anybody got body punch stats for b-hop zaghe fight? an yes i thought margarito williams an even pavlik taylor II coulda gone either way, jus like b-hop zaghe

[2501]

anybody got body punch stats for b-hop zaghe fight? an yes i thought margarito williams an even pavlik taylor II coulda gone either way, jus like b-hop zaghe

to be honest, the punch stats dont really tell an accurate story. Cal landed about double what Hop landed, but some of them were ineffective. but the problem is, you cant expect to win a fight landed 2-3 effective punches against someone that is landed 15-19 ineffective punches. they may not be causing damage, they may not land cleanly, but they are landing at a larger percentage than what you are doing.

[supermandathoe]

If you score fights by how someones face looks, then body punches must not count I guess.

I hate when you post for the simple fact I can't bold what I want to comment on, lol.

That being said some judges seem to not notice body punches, and those are the ones that shouldn't be working.

[Kris Silver]

They must have been somewhat effective, as they slowed Hopkins down and enabled him to speed up, so record punches landed on Hops, minimum on Calzaghe.

Furthermore for the first time Hops was tired, out of breath and clinching, lost accuracy and timing, signs of effective punches from the opponent.

[Orion]

I dont think anything annoys me more than when a fighter says look at his face let it tell the story, that is complete garbage.

[S A M U R A I]

I dont think anything annoys me more than when a fighter says look at his face let it tell the story, that is complete garbage.

Agreed. Joe had a small scratch on his nose. Big deal.



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[.Mik.]

Aye, other than that his face was completely unmarked as normal. Bika messed his face up much worse...Bika didnt win.

[Kris Silver]

Joe's body shots were effective, Hops has the wind progessively taken out of him, hence holding, losing his breath, time wasting, not being as effective himself. I actually think in an odd way, Joe hurt him more now, as Nards not used to being hit lots of times at a slightly less hard pace. Not enough to really hurt him, but clearly left him stunned a few times, slowing down, losing effectiveness, his breath, and just not as able to war Joe.

Hops face is rarely that marked. Joes fckin hard and wasn't really ever that hurt, sorry, he says aswell, flash knockdown, and not particularly hurt. I trust him over Hops any day. Besides, Joe landed some not so hard punches on Kessler and Lacy that managed to mark them, but don't Nards odd face.