All this got me thinking

[Funky_Monk]

Yeah maybe, i think maybe interviews aswell.
I have as previosuly stated spent a bit of time at the Newbridge gym which was good mainly with Bradley Pryce but something just didnt quite feel right about it ended up doing more about ametuer boxing.
Really wnna go back to it tho...

[tyson]

I think that is absolutely ridiculous. If you willingly set out to kill someone you are evil, plain and simple. Being in a boxing ring does not absolve you from morality.

However, I think that accepting the possibility of badly hurting someone, whilst accepting the risk that you may be badly hurt, and knowing your opponent has accepted those risks too, is somewhat different. Taking a calculated risk is not 'bad', we all do it every day. In boxing its just that those risks are a lot more severe.

I think what the thread starter was driving at, was the question of how much risk is legitimately acceptable, at what point does the risk cross the line into recklessness. What I am asking is with whom does the responsibility lie? Is there a point at which a fight should not be made, or is it enough to trust the ref and trainer on fight night to ensure that all ends well?

It's the killer instinct that makes or breaks a fighter. That instinct doesn't make any other animal evil, so why would it make a human being evil?

Some fighters use anger as motivation, even bordering hate.
I did this in my early years when I trained and fought. I genuinely tried to knock off my opponent's head.
But that urge was only in the ring though. I don't want to kill anyone outside the ring.
In the ring, however... If someone pushes the fight, I black out and fight instinctively and do everything I can to get that person to sit down and stay down. The thought of consequences doesn't even enter my mind.

I've had opponent's being out cold for nearly ten minutes before being carried out of the ring. I didn't have a single feeling of regret or fear of what it could mean.
If that makes me evil, then fine.

I do however agree that the risks should be kept to a minimum, by regulating the fights more and keeping it more competitive.

I'd like to point out that in one of my latest fights, I genuinely held back because I was superiour. He didn't push the action too much, so I didn't fight instinctively.

[Funky_Monk]

Do you fight Pro or Ametuer ?

[abadger]

It's the killer instinct that makes or breaks a fighter. That instinct doesn't make any other animal evil, so why would it make a human being evil?

Some fighters use anger as motivation, even bordering hate.
I did this in my early years when I trained and fought. I genuinely tried to knock off my opponent's head.
But that urge was only in the ring though. I don't want to kill anyone outside the ring.
In the ring, however... If someone pushes the fight, I black out and fight instinctively and do everything I can to get that person to sit down and stay down. The thought of consequences doesn't even enter my mind.

I've had opponent's being out cold for nearly ten minutes before being carried out of the ring. I didn't have a single feeling of regret or fear of what it could mean.
If that makes me evil, then fine.

I do however agree that the risks should be kept to a minimum, by regulating the fights more and keeping it more competitive.

I'd like to point out that in one of my latest fights, I genuinely held back because I was superiour. He didn't push the action too much, so I didn't fight instinctively.

I don't think that makes you evil. It is one thing to try your hardest to beat somebody, quite another to actually set out to kill them.

I think the desire to defeat the opponent can be easily described as "killer instinct" and I bet thats what it feels like at the time, but I think (hope) thats not what it is. Imagine if you actually killed them! I bet you'd be horrified! I suppose boxing operates, as I have already mentioned, that those outside the ring are there to act as proxies for the fighter. The fighter is absolved of responsibility, and it is passed to the supervisors of the fight.

As I type this I realise what an alarming concept that is in some ways. As someone else posted before, boxers are effectively given a licence to kill. Can that ever be right? You mentioned that animals that kill are not evil and that is correct. As humans though, we are able to make moral judgements that animals are not, and it seems to me that for the duration of the fight the boxer is placed in the position of the animal, a being without law or moral judgements. In a sense the boxer renounces his humanity.

Cool no?
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[abadger]

Do you fight Pro or Ametuer ?

Out of interest, have you taken any photos for the project already? If so you should post them and let everyone see what they think.

(Only if you want obviously)
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[tyson]

I don't think that makes you evil. It is one thing to try your hardest to beat somebody, quite another to actually set out to kill them.

I think the desire to defeat the opponent can be easily described as "killer instinct" and I bet thats what it feels like at the time, but I think (hope) thats not what it is. Imagine if you actually killed them! I bet you'd be horrified! I suppose boxing operates, as I have already mentioned, that those outside the ring are there to act as proxies for the fighter. The fighter is absolved of responsibility, and it is passed to the supervisors of the fight.

As I type this I realise what an alarming concept that is in some ways. As someone else posted before, boxers are effectively given a licence to kill. Can that ever be right? You mentioned that animals that kill are not evil and that is correct. As humans though, we are able to make moral judgements that animals are not, and it seems to me that for the duration of the fight the boxer is placed in the position of the animal, a being without law or moral judgements. In a sense the boxer renounces his humanity.

Cool no?

It's cool, yes.

But we don't renounce our humanity. We embrace it.
The only thing that differs man from animal is the fact that we kill for fun.
Nothing else.
No animal will ever kill for no reason or for the fun of it.

We shoot and kill every kind of animal for the sake of sport.

In my mind, there's nothing more evil with killing a human being than it is killing an animal for fun.
If you have ever been around any animal, you'll realize that they are souls just like you and me. They don't think "rationally", they are completely perfect from within.
Unlike mankind who thinks himself to destruction.

It is a killer instinct in the purest sense of the word. If you kill my child, I'll come right after you with the INTENT of killing you.
No if's and but's, I would.

These moral judgements we talk about are nothing more than guidelines of life we have been presented by religion and goverments.
Based on fear of what might happen if we break them, we follow the rules.

It's not neccessary to have such rules because no animal or human being is evil by nature. Evil is a product of fear, simply spoken.
I would elaborate on what I'm talking about, but I must jump in bed.

Good thread and good people

[abadger]

It's cool, yes.

But we don't renounce our humanity. We embrace it.
The only thing that differs man from animal is the fact that we kill for fun.
Nothing else.
No animal will ever kill for no reason or for the fun of it.

We shoot and kill every kind of animal for the sake of sport.

In my mind, there's nothing more evil with killing a human being than it is killing an animal for fun.
If you have ever been around any animal, you'll realize that they are souls just like you and me. They don't think "rationally", they are completely perfect from within.
Unlike mankind who thinks himself to destruction.

It is a killer instinct in the purest sense of the word. If you kill my child, I'll come right after you with the INTENT of killing you.
No if's and but's, I would.

These moral judgements we talk about are nothing more than guidelines of life we have been presented by religion and goverments.
Based on fear of what might happen if we break them, we follow the rules.

It's not neccessary to have such rules because no animal or human being is evil by nature. Evil is a product of fear, simply spoken.
I would elaborate on what I'm talking about, but I must jump in bed.

Good thread and good people

...and that just made it my favourite thread ever! I've been trying to get a proper discussion like this going for ages. Kudos to the thread starter and everyone who posted so far!

Tyson, I agree with nearly everything you're saying!


Bed time for me too.

Good thread and good people indeed!
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[Funky_Monk]

nope not yet, i have some previous work online, however my website is currently being relocated. so untill then nope...