All this got me thinking

**abadger** · 04-16-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Funky_Monk

All this talk of death and body bags and defibulators etc has really turned me off this fight. Its something i personally really dont like. The reality is very few die instantaneously in the ring or after a bout, i for one am very glad of this, im not deluded in that boxing and other such contact sports acidents will happen.

Also i have seen some very very bad pro boxers on undercards who have been totally outclassed by up and coming people, not always by KO. Never the less totally one side affairs which i find very sickening more for the reason that i wonder why on earth people who have never one a fight carry on getting pumpled, when do they decide to call it a day?

Thoughts opinions would be good as im really interested in people and im contemplating a photography project on these types of fighters who havent won.

Good Post. Green K for you.

I totally agree with you about boxers talking about killing and death. Some of the first fights I watched were Eubank - Watson and Benn - McLellan, and to be honest I think that boxers should think twice before making these kinds of comments. Accidents happen in all sports, but boxing is the only one where it comes about as a direct consequence of the competitors actions. They mean to hurt each other.

I'd have to think a little more before going into the ethics of one sided match ups, it seems easy to say that the fighters know what they are doing before they get into the ring, and that every fighter deserves their shot, no matter how unlikely it is. The simple truth is that in some cases there is an argument that such fights are a reckless endagerment of life, or health at least, and perhaps trainers, sanctioning bodies and promoters could be culpable of negligence. Like you, I'd be interested to see what other people think.
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**raysan** · 04-16-2008, 04:32 PM

If you dont have the mindset that you are willing to kill the other person in the ring, then you shouldnt be a fighter. If this bothers you, maybe you shouldnt watch the sport. The guys are supposed to try to kill eachother and the doctors, ref, and commisions do their best to make sure its not a reality, but that doesnt mean that having it as a goal makes you bad.

**Funky_Monk** · 04-16-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by abadger

Good Post. Green K for you.

I totally agree with you about boxers talking about killing and death. Some of the first fights I watched were Eubank - Watson and Benn - McLellan, and to be honest I think that boxers should think twice before making these kinds of comments. Accidents happen in all sports, but boxing is the only one where it comes about as a direct consequence of the competitors actions. They mean to hurt each other.

I'd have to think a little more before going into the ethics of one sided match ups, it seems easy to say that the fighters know what they are doing before they get into the ring, and that every fighter deserves their shot, no matter how unlikely it is. The simple truth is that in some cases there is an argument that such fights are a reckless endagerment of life, or health at least, and perhaps trainers, sanctioning bodies and promoters could be culpable of negligence. Like you, I'd be interested to see what other people think.

Thanks not sure what green K is but anyway....

Yeah i know in NY you get suspended i think if you loose 6 straight fights although this wa son an old clip i was watching so may have changed.

**Funky_Monk** · 04-16-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by raysan

If you dont have the mindset that you are willing to kill the other person in the ring, then you shouldnt be a fighter. If this bothers you, maybe you shouldnt watch the sport. The guys are supposed to try to kill eachother and the doctors, ref, and commisions do their best to make sure its not a reality, but that doesnt mean that having it as a goal makes you bad.

I would disagree i think there are plenty of good boxers who would say they dont want to kill anyone, undoubtedly some are drawn to the violent side of it.
Why would they want to kill the other person?

**abadger** · 04-16-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by raysan

If you dont have the mindset that you are willing to kill the other person in the ring, then you shouldnt be a fighter. If this bothers you, maybe you shouldnt watch the sport. The guys are supposed to try to kill eachother and the doctors, ref, and commisions do their best to make sure its not a reality, but that doesnt mean that having it as a goal makes you bad.

I think that is absolutely ridiculous. If you willingly set out to kill someone you are evil, plain and simple. Being in a boxing ring does not absolve you from morality.

However, I think that accepting the possibility of badly hurting someone, whilst accepting the risk that you may be badly hurt, and knowing your opponent has accepted those risks too, is somewhat different. Taking a calculated risk is not 'bad', we all do it every day. In boxing its just that those risks are a lot more severe.

I think what the thread starter was driving at, was the question of how much risk is legitimately acceptable, at what point does the risk cross the line into recklessness. What I am asking is with whom does the responsibility lie? Is there a point at which a fight should not be made, or is it enough to trust the ref and trainer on fight night to ensure that all ends well?
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**abadger** · 04-16-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Funky_Monk

Thanks not sure what green K is but anyway....

Yeah i know in NY you get suspended i think if you loose 6 straight fights although this wa son an old clip i was watching so may have changed.

Green K is basically your reputation. Its good. You can get red K too, thats bad.

If you click on 'User CP' at the top left of any thread list, you will go to your profile and you'll see I've left you some reputation. You donate it by clicking the Karma button at the bottom of any post you like or dislike.
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**Funky_Monk** · 04-16-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by abadger

Green K is basically your reputation. Its good. You can get red K too, thats bad.

If you click on 'User CP' at the top left of any thread list, you will go to your profile and you'll see I've left you some reputation. You donate it by clicking the Karma button at the bottom of any post you like or dislike.

Thank you, not figured it all out here yet.

**Funky_Monk** · 04-16-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by abadger

I think that is absolutely ridiculous. If you willingly set out to kill someone you are evil, plain and simple. Being in a boxing ring does not absolve you from morality.

However, I think that accepting the possibility of badly hurting someone, whilst accepting the risk that you may be badly hurt, and knowing your opponent has accepted those risks too, is somewhat different. Taking a calculated risk is not 'bad', we all do it every day. In boxing its just that those risks are a lot more severe.

I think what the thread starter was driving at, was the question of how much risk is legitimately acceptable, at what point does the risk cross the line into recklessness. What I am asking is with whom does the responsibility lie? Is there a point at which a fight should not be made, or is it enough to trust the ref and trainer on fight night to ensure that all ends well?

Yeah thats what i was elluding to, but also question the motives of those that suffer these horrendous beatings often fairly regularly because they need more fights to pay the bills.
Well ultimately this no winners are a minor knotch for a better fighter to go to 30 and 0 or whatever. So i would say it lies somewhere before it gets in the ring.... i realise some journey men are a vital element.

**raysan** · 04-16-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Funky_Monk

I would disagree i think there are plenty of good boxers who would say they dont want to kill anyone, undoubtedly some are drawn to the violent side of it.
Why would they want to kill the other person?

Of course you dont want to kill someone, but if youre holding back because of fear of it youre not going to be the best. Boxing is a sport where youre risking your life everytime you step in the ring, in a sense its kill or be killed. Thats the mindset you should have, now when a guy is obviously hurt, ya you see fighters tell the ref to stop it, but when first stepping into that ring i dont think a fighter says to himself "now i hope i dont hurt this guy, maybe i shouldnt punch as hard", its not their job to protect the fighters, thats the job of others. Promoters, commisions, trainers, doctors, thats their job to worry about the safety of the hurt fighter, not the guy opposite of him in the ring.

All this got me thinking