All this got me thinking

[abadger]

Of course you dont want to kill someone, but if youre holding back because of fear of it youre not going to be the best. Boxing is a sport where youre risking your life everytime you step in the ring, in a sense its kill or be killed. Thats the mindset you should have, now when a guy is obviously hurt, ya you see fighters tell the ref to stop it, but when first stepping into that ring i dont think a fighter says to himself "now i hope i dont hurt this guy", its not their job to protect the fighters, thats the job of others. Promoters, commisions, trainers, doctors, thats their job to worry about the safety of the hurt fighter, not the guy opposite of him in the ring.

That makes more sense. It is feasible that someone could die as a result of your blow, but its not as though you want that to happen. If you deliberately don't hit hard though, you might get hit yourself.

A good example is Chris Eubank, he never really hit hard again after Watson, although he still managed to keep on winning.
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[FRKO]

This is a very good thread. I got here slightly late and it looks like one of the best posters on the board, abadger, has already posted pretty much my thoughts on this subject, and now I can't really add anything more to the discussion!

[Funky_Monk]

Of course you dont want to kill someone, but if youre holding back because of fear of it youre not going to be the best. Boxing is a sport where youre risking your life everytime you step in the ring, in a sense its kill or be killed. Thats the mindset you should have, now when a guy is obviously hurt, ya you see fighters tell the ref to stop it, but when first stepping into that ring i dont think a fighter says to himself "now i hope i dont hurt this guy, maybe i shouldnt punch as hard", its not their job to protect the fighters, thats the job of others. Promoters, commisions, trainers, doctors, thats their job to worry about the safety of the hurt fighter, not the guy opposite of him in the ring.

Maybe, that seems a less radical stance than the previous post. Perhaps people deal with this aspect differently though. Some may use the fear others maybe distance themselves from the reality, i thin ultimately everyone that steps into the ring kows what risk they take.

I do however think its a very different point from the one that i was making about airing your views on how you want to kill him etc

[raysan]

Maybe, that seems a less radical stance than the previous post. Perhaps people deal with this aspect differently though. Some may use the fear others maybe distance themselves from the reality, i thin ultimately everyone that steps into the ring kows what risk they take.

I do however think its a very different point from the one that i was making about airing your views on how you want to kill him etc

I was saying in the first post, if a fighter has the goal to kill someone that doesnt make him bad because it is a violent sport to begin with and he accepts the same risk of getting killed. If a fighter said "I want to kill him", its not litterally going to happen because people such as the ref arent going to let it go that far or shouldnt, but if he means hes going to try and kill him, i dont think that makes him evil or anything, because i would be expecting him to hit his hardest and as often as possible until it gets stopped.

[Funky_Monk]

better late than never, what do people think to the project idea tho?
can anyoen suggest a suitable startign point or way to go abotu it?

[abadger]

This is a very good thread. I got here slightly late and it looks like one of the best posters on the board, abadger, has already posted pretty much my thoughts on this subject, and now I can't really add anything more to the discussion!

You are too kind about me. Today I posted a thread that someone red k'd me for and said it "was the ******est post they had ever read in their life". It wasn't, but still.

In this thread, I don't think I've really said anything at all, just asked some questions. Here's another, the simplest one there is relating to the ethics of boxing:

Most people who watch or participate in boxing agree it is ethical because the fighters accept the risk, but other observers feel the sport is barbaric by its very nature, that it is no different than Roman gladiators. Who is right and who is wrong? Can boxing be defended on ethical grounds at all?

(I know I said simple...)
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[raysan]

better late than never, what do people think to the project idea tho?
can anyoen suggest a suitable startign point or way to go abotu it?

Id just show the two opposite spectrums, like pics of fighters looking back at refs to stop fights and other pics of fighters loading up while fighters are obviously already out of it. people have different mindsets in the ring and i think if you could capture that with pics, that should play out nicely

[tyson]

If you dont have the mindset that you are willing to kill the other person in the ring, then you shouldnt be a fighter. If this bothers you, maybe you shouldnt watch the sport. The guys are supposed to try to kill eachother and the doctors, ref, and commisions do their best to make sure its not a reality, but that doesnt mean that having it as a goal makes you bad.

I agree with this lunatic here.

[Funky_Monk]

Id just show the two opposite spectrums, like pics of fighters looking back at refs to stop fights and other pics of fighters loading up while fighters are obviously already out of it. people have different mindsets in the ring and i think if you could capture that with pics, that should play out nicely

Yeah i see what you mean i was thinking something outside the ring tho, maybe straight after. Im even tempted by photographing referees shirts on light boxes with the splatters and maybe just a caption of how long the fight lasted and what the result was etc no names or anything i dunno.
Pretencios or what hey...

Thanks tho.

[abadger]

better late than never, what do people think to the project idea tho?
can anyoen suggest a suitable startign point or way to go abotu it?

I'd go down to the nearest boxing gym, talk to the trainer and see if he can point you in the direction of someone he used to train back in the day, who seriously tried to make it but didn't.

If you can get photos of them boxing when they were younger to juxtapose with pictures of them as they are now, and get them to tell you about their experiences to give some context to the project.

I think focusing on an individual would probably be the easiest, and most powerful way to go about it.
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