Beating Margarito From A Tactical Standpoint..

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  • !! Shawn
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    #101
    Originally posted by Addison
    And more challenging.
    Its so much fun watching the fight when it plays out just like you had seen it in your head.

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      #102
      Originally posted by pesticid
      I don't buy that, I think you also had Hatton winning against Floyd. It seems like you're always trying to pull a Teddy Atlas going with the underdog, that's what amateurs do. Even now you go with Hopkins and Margarito, slight underdogs but underdogs nonetheless. So you're pretty transparent with your picks. I've said it before, you have a knack for losing and it's not curable.
      HaHA.. I have a knack for doing whatever the **** I feel like doing.

      Pesti******, I know you're into me. :*******: Slow down, baby.

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        #103
        Originally posted by !! Shawn
        I don't believe he did. I remember this quite vividly as he thought my prediction of Mayweather backing to the ropes, hitting Ricky on the way in and then holding until the ref broke them was "interesting".

        Turns out, thats what he did, and Joe Cortez was more than happy to fulfill his part in my analysis.

        Im quite sure he thought Hatton had little to no chance.
        HaHA, you're just trying to take credit for calling it down to the actual forensics. But you did do that, and you deserve your credit, Shawn.

        Just like it happened. You know I thought it was more than "interesting."

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          #104
          Originally posted by Addison
          At a certain point I believed that, although I'm starting to wonder..



          You betting cash? Smart money?

          It's highly unlikely Hopkins will be able to outscore Calzaghe under any circumstances, and even less likely he can stop him. There's only so much craft and tact you can throw to offset a wild banshee with good hands and a tremendous chin. Calzaghe should be the fav. And he is.

          Cotto's advantages in footspeed, handspeed, and overall mobility will keep him in the fight, and his improving defense and tucked chin may prevent him from getting stopped. However, Margarito's workrate, punching power, and durability virtually ensures that he should be able to outwork or stop Cotto. I think Margarito is a horrible matchup foy Miguel Cotto. Period.
          I agree with the first part of your Cotto analysis, but the second part is off base. Margarito throws massive amounts of punches ONLY when nothing is coming back. If you watch his fights where he is throwing massive amounts of punches, his opponents are not throwing back.

          People say he is a slow starter. I think this is crap. He is not a slow starter, he simply does not throw many punches in the early rounds because his opponents are still punching back.

          Cotto punches back. If Cotto does not get knocked out, which I acknowledge is a definite possibility, he is almost certain to win the fight.

          Margarito's volume punching style is almost a dead ringer to the volume punching style common in the amateurs. Cotto has experience with fighters throwing large numbers of punches, and he demonstrated an ability to stay composed and box.

          He holds his hands high like Clottey, and Margarito demonstrated either an inability, or an unwillingness to go around the guard. He throws punches at the high gloves, and is open to getting outpointed with quick counters, much like Clottey was doing until he injured his hands.

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          • pesticid
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            #105
            ***isson, go to Gomez's changeroom and console each other.

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              #106
              Originally posted by Addison
              HaHA, you're just trying to take credit for calling it down to the actual forensics. But you did do that, and you deserve your credit, Shawn.

              Just like it happened. You know I thought it was more than "interesting."
              Do you know the average punch output of Cotto? I know he isn't an inactive fighter, but I am not really sure what kinds of output he is capable of sustaining.

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                #107
                Another interesting fact. In 1996 Margarito was on the canvas from a body shot!

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by !! Shawn
                  I agree with the first part of your Cotto analysis, but the second part is off base. Margarito throws massive amounts of punches ONLY when nothing is coming back. If you watch his fights where he is throwing massive amounts of punches, his opponents are not throwing back.

                  People say he is a slow starter. I think this is crap. He is not a slow starter, he simply does not throw many punches in the early rounds because his opponents are still punching back.

                  Cotto punches back. If Cotto does not get knocked out, which I acknowledge is a definite possibility, he is almost certain to win the fight.

                  Margarito's volume punching style is almost a dead ringer to the volume punching style common in the amateurs. Cotto has experience with fighters throwing large numbers of punches, and he demonstrated an ability to stay composed and box.

                  He holds his hands high like Clottey, and Margarito demonstrated either an inability, or an unwillingness to go around the guard. He throws punches at the high gloves, and is open to getting outpointed with quick counters, much like Clottey was doing until he injured his hands.
                  Margarito's volume punching style is akin to a drive-thru carwash. He spins, lifts, turns, slams, and pushes in every direction a bipedal humanoid could concievably manipulate. If you think there's anything amateurish about what Margarito does on offense you'll be in for a shock in July.

                  Cotto does punch back, but he also wisely clears out - and in order for him to be effective he's going to have to touch the big man and get out, touch the big man and get out - and this is all to the body mind you.

                  He just better hope Margarito doesn't get him trapped. It will be over.

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                    #109
                    Originally posted by !! Shawn
                    Another interesting fact. In 1996 Margarito was on the canvas from a body shot!
                    Source? Where did you hear that?

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                      #110
                      Cotto should get in there and beat margarito at his own game(although margarito was more of a distance fighter before this last fight IMO) and crush Margarito to the body.

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