Cornering Mayweather

[Scott9945]

You keep telling yourself that. Because the truth is Arum didn't make an offer to either. The offers came from the other end.

Winky and Vernon want to fight Oscar because of the money. It's the same reason everyone wants to fight Oscar. It's getting to the point where everyone wants to fight Floyd because of the money and the chance to say "well even though I lost it was to the P4P #1." And what's more if you call him out and he turns it down you can then say "he's ducking all real challengers."

Whatever. You can convince yourself of whatever you want to believe. Margarito had plenty of fight offers, but his team turned them down. The only reason he fought Williams was because the WBO forced him to and he looked like a major hypocrit by trying to turn it down. Then he lost and was a sore loser about it. But if you want to believe he's something more than that go right ahead. Bob Arum welcomes your PPV dollar every day of the week.

Try and prove any of that bull****. Why should Margarito fight guys who aren't even in his division? He wants to be the welterweight champion and they bring nothing to the table. The reason Winky and Vernon would rather fight Oscar is because he is a big name and an easy mark. De La Hoya is the biggest fraud in boxing right now, living off what he did in the 1990's.

Margarito gave up a big payday against Cotto to defend his title against Williams because of pride. His own promoter sued him to try and stop the fight. Google that if you don't believe me. The WBO title means **** if he gets a fight with Cotto. But he accepted the challenge against a no name opponent that nobody wanted to fight. It cost him, but he has never ducked a legitimate challenge like Floyd and Oscar have.

[javelin_fangs]

To say that Cotto doesnt earn a shot at Mayweather because he has a promoter is ridiculous. To say that Cotto will earn a shot at mayweather when his resume equal's May's is ridiculous.

I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but I never said Cotto hadn't earned a shot. I said, he's gotten to the point where he no longer needs a high priced promoter who makes a lot of demands and wants total control of his career (which is what Arum is). Up until this point Cotto needed to be marketed properly. He's engrained in the public now. He should just do his own thing.

BUT that has nothing to do with whether or not he's earned a shot or if I think he'll equal Mayweather's resume. I just think he'd be better off leaving Top Rank. It probably won't happen, but don't you think it's pretty fu(ked up that the only guy who has a good rep with most of the fans on this board is the one who is signing off all control of his professional career to a guy like Bob Arum? Don't you think it's pretty fu(ked up that in a country like this people look down on fighters who maximize their earning potential and become their own boss? I know I do.

Boxing does not need to be a sport where fighters end up being the ones who end up broke and punch drunk while the white collar dudes rake in money hand over fist and scoff at any fighter who wants to avoid being the punch drunk dude.

[javelin_fangs]

Try and prove any of that bull****. Why should Margarito fight guys who aren't even in his division? He wants to be the welterweight champion and they bring nothing to the table. The reason Winky and Vernon would rather fight Oscar is because he is a big name and an easy mark. De La Hoya is the biggest fraud in boxing right now, living off what he did in the 1990's.

Margarito gave up a big payday against Cotto to defend his title against Williams because of pride. His own promoter sued him to try and stop the fight. Google that if you don't believe me. The WBO title means **** if he gets a fight with Cotto. But he accepted the challenge against a no name opponent that nobody wanted to fight. It cost him, but he has never ducked a legitimate challenge like Floyd and Oscar have.

OMG, dude...there are interviews in **********'s archives. Then you have the nerve to say Winky and Vernon bring nothing to the table, but get mad at Floyd (who actually fights for a living) for saying the same thing about Margarito.

Dude just admit it...you just want Margarito to get the biggest fights. If another boxer who needs a fight makes an offer it's not valid because Margarito wants a Floyd fight, but it's not ok for any other boxer to do that.

Floyd and Oscar has done so much in their careers. You're like the kid in Jr. High who rationalizes not doing his homework because the teacher won't do the homework himself.

[MANGLER]

Dettloff almost always brings some good **** in his Ring updates. Margarito shoulda got his shot when he was the top contender. Cotto should have gotten his when he first became top contender. They shouldn't have to fight to get their shot but it's good for boxing. And surely Floyd is happy if he ever does face the winner it will be after these 2 will probably do serious damage to each other.

[javelin_fangs]

but the were made.

And who's to say Mayweather-Cotto won't be made? Even Larry Merchant (who Margarito and Cotto fans selectively swear by) said that he believes the fight will be made. This is a man who actually has insider knowledge and he believes the fight will be made. Why do you insist on being upset by the slow pace of it when EVERY fight of this magnitude takes years to make?

You didn't see us Floyd fans spamming boards when Oscar was blowing off that fight. You didn't see us Hopkins fans spamming boards when Oscar was blowing off that fight. But Cotto fans seem to think that this is a unique situation and that no one understand their frustration. It's hypocrisy man and no it doesn't lie entirely with us Mayweather fans. It is what it is man and if you can't except that there's nothing anyone can do for you.

[RodBarker]

Floyd is sitting back watching the pawns move around , he will fight the winner of Cotto Margo somewhere down the track in my opinion and he effectively beats both in the process of beating one , Floyds in the box seat and is very smart about the moves he makes with his career .

[2501]

And who's to say Mayweather-Cotto won't be made? Even Larry Merchant (who Margarito and Cotto fans selectively swear by) said that he believes the fight will be made. This is a man who actually has insider knowledge and he believes the fight will be made. Why do you insist on being upset by the slow pace of it when EVERY fight of this magnitude takes years to make?

You didn't see us Floyd fans spamming boards when Oscar was blowing off that fight. You didn't see us Hopkins fans spamming boards when Oscar was blowing off that fight. But Cotto fans seem to think that this is a unique situation and that no one understand their frustration. It's hypocrisy man and no it doesn't lie entirely with us Mayweather fans. It is what it is man and if you can't except that there's nothing anyone can do for you.

wait wait wait! so now that Merchant says something you agree with, he's all of a sudden someone who has insider knowledge and is credible. Now you respect his opinion on the matter? But before when he was criticizing Floyd...

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3146128&postcount=15

Larry Merchant is the type of guy who would cry if he broke a nail, but he has the audacity to question a world class boxer's heart. I lost respect for him when he did the same thing to Shane Mosley after he beat Adrian Stone. The only reason people like him is because he picks on whoever fans say they hate the most. He wouldn't dream of grilling a currently popular fighter. He's a little girl.

[deanrw]

I could see Hatton beating Margarito. I'm not going to put a bet on it because I could see Margarito beating Hatton too. But don't get all ****y because Oscar would wipe the ring with Margarito the same way he did with Mayorga and Hatton would wipe the ring with Gomez.

You're over here talking about Floyd is taking low risk, high reward fights...at least they're against HOF calibre fighters. Look at the low risk, high reward fights Cotto is fighting this year. Gomez ain't going to Canastota unless he pays his own admission. And Margarito? He better beat both Cotto and Mayweather if he even wants to breath Canastota.

OMG...Margarito would slap Hatton around like a red headed step child. It would not even be competitive.

For a guy who defended the Welterweight Title 9 times, lost it and then won it back, yeah Margarito is a real pushover. That is why Floyd cried the time Margarito approached him. Look it up and watch the video. Margarito might not be a skilled boxer, but he is a real force in the ring. End of story.

[Scott9945]

OMG, dude...there are interviews in **********'s archives. Then you have the nerve to say Winky and Vernon bring nothing to the table, but get mad at Floyd (who actually fights for a living) for saying the same thing about Margarito.

Dude just admit it...you just want Margarito to get the biggest fights. If another boxer who needs a fight makes an offer it's not valid because Margarito wants a Floyd fight, but it's not ok for any other boxer to do that.

Floyd and Oscar has done so much in their careers. You're like the kid in Jr. High who rationalizes not doing his homework because the teacher won't do the homework himself.

Interviews in *******'s archives? Well that sure spells it out for me. Unlike Winky and Vernon, Margarito is a welterweight who should be in the mix concerning top welterweight fights. Floyd being the top welterweight. Oscar has done a lot in his career, but so has Evander Holyfield. The difference is that Oscar is still getting by on his drawing power and overrated reputation.

I don't really get the homework analogy. But you can be sure I've done mine. These alleged challenges fromt other guys in higher divisions were never much more than internet rumors. Go link or copy some text that indicates otherwise.

[javelin_fangs]

[I][B][FONT=Arial]Interviews in *******'s archives? Well that sure spells it out for me.

Lol...not my fault the site bleeps out that site's name. The interviews come directly from the promoters. Arum turned the offers down. If you don't want to believe it that's you. I would expect nothing else from you at this point.