Pacquiao: "Marquez is Crying Like a Baby"

[Left Hook Tua]

I'm aware of what you're saying. What I am trying to say is that Pacquiao arguably won both fights and yet his "tune-up fight" is against a title holder at a higher weightclass. Not the best in the division but skilled enough and holding many advantages over him that if manny loses it would be by no means a surprise to anyone. So if Manny's tuneup fight is that big of a challenge then it's only fitting that Marquez take on an equally challenging tuneup fight like valero or soto. As far as for Marquez making himself out to be the villain...he has already begun on his path to villainship by taking the thunder of penalosa's win away from him by challenging Pacquiao right after the fight in a WWE manner. If that's the path Marquez goes with...i would still say it'd be much better marketing for Marquez to beat up Manny's brother than fight a jaca or jandaeng with a much better record but no name and no relevance to division supremacy.

i see what you're saying but to be honest with you a high value fight for juan against someone like valero or guzman is too dangerous. it could hurt the payday. a manny lost at 135 wouldn't hurt the payday but a juan manuel lost would.

besides high risk fights for manny are more doable because even guys that are not big names still make manny a lot of money. juan on the other hand can't make big money aside from manny. so the safe bet would be to take an easier course and ensure the money for the rubber match is still there. a loss to diaz or another 135-pounder by manny and there's still big bucks for the rubber match. a loss by juan to guzman or valero and who's to say a guzman-pacquiao or valero-pacquiao won't be worth more for top rank?

[shadeyfizzle]

i see what you're saying but to be honest with you a high value fight for juan against someone like valero or guzman is too dangerous. it could hurt the payday. a manny lost at 135 wouldn't hurt the payday but a juan manuel lost would.

besides high risk fights for manny are more doable because even guys that are not big names still make manny a lot of money. juan on the other hand can't make big money aside from manny. so the safe bet would be to take an easier course and ensure the money for the rubber match is still there. a loss to diaz or another 135-pounder by manny and there's still big bucks for the rubber match. a loss by juan to guzman or valero and who's to say a guzman-pacquiao or valero-pacquiao won't be worth more for top rank?

Well those are the breaks and people reap what they sow. That is why Pacquiao is a bigger draw and has a hall of fame calibur resume as opposed to Marquez. I say Marquez has played it safe for far too long in his career and that is why he is in the mess that he is in right now. I've been well aware for a long time that of all the mexican fighters in that weight range Marquez had the best chance of beating Pacquiao. But he played it safe twice and his record reflects it. Pacquiao had been racking up notable win after another while Marquez had been racking up wins against Jaca and Jandaeng. I will say however for as much risk as there is in a Marquez-Valero or Marquez-Guzman...there is also as much reward. If Marquez was to gamble on knockout power and succeed in destroying either...Who's to say that Marquez still needs Pacquiao for a big payday?? He could then go out and fight whoever he wants for a large sum of cash.

[gibo]

jmm is smart, flying to PACMAN'S country screaming and kicking about a rematch. It's about money! Who else can he fight,
and make the cash he's made with PAC?

[isbj]

Well those are the breaks and people reap what they sow. That is why Pacquiao is a bigger draw and has a hall of fame calibur resume as opposed to Marquez. I say Marquez has played it safe for far too long in his career and that is why he is in the mess that he is in right now. I've been well aware for a long time that of all the mexican fighters in that weight range Marquez had the best chance of beating Pacquiao. But he played it safe twice and his record reflects it. Pacquiao had been racking up notable win after another while Marquez had been racking up wins against Jaca and Jandaeng. I will say however for as much risk as there is in a Marquez-Valero or Marquez-Guzman...there is also as much reward. If Marquez was to gamble on knockout power and succeed in destroying either...Who's to say that Marquez still needs Pacquiao for a big payday?? He could then go out and fight whoever he wants for a large sum of cash.

Other than Barrera, Morales, Marquez there is not any other top 10 fighters Pacquiao has beaten, and his victory over Marquez is highly disputed. His KO victories against Morales came after Morales' losses to Barrera and Zahir Raheem, so at those times Morales had already lost the top spot.

It's funny how you ask for JMM to fight the very same fighters Pacman avoided. Yes, Pacman avoided Guzman after he and his promoter saw Guzman dominate Humberto Soto! What happened to the proposed bout against Valero in Macau?

It's fine to be a fan of a fighter, but at least try to look at things as they are.

[Point Blank]

Other than Barrera, Morales, Marquez there is not any other top 10 fighters Pacquiao has beaten, and his victory over Marquez is highly disputed. His KO victories against Morales came after Morales' losses to Barrera and Zahir Raheem, so at those times Morales had already lost the top spot.

It's funny how you ask for JMM to fight the very same fighters Pacman avoided. Yes, Pacman avoided Guzman after he and his promoter saw Guzman dominate Humberto Soto! What happened to the proposed bout against Valero in Macau?

It's fine to be a fan of a fighter, but at least try to look at things as they are.

dominate? that ***** guzrun runs around the ring like a ****ing chicken on the run for his life. guzrun ain't ****. guzrun just run around that's all. nothing spectacular about him. just another borefest. sotto didn't even got ****ing bruised.

[mastertremble]

im pac fan, but i want a rematch. but not right now and not in 130 division, pac is having problem with his weight, could be a problem with his weight conditioning or something, who knows?. match should happen at 135 after diaz vs pac and the first to fight will not matter anymore, its like a grand finale. the winner will walkout as the real winner of all of their fights.

im a crying like a baby?

[isbj]

dominate? that ***** guzrun runs around the ring like a ****ing chicken on the run for his life. guzrun ain't ****. guzrun just run around that's all. nothing spectacular about him. just another borefest. sotto didn't even got ****ing bruised.

Yep, Dominated, Yo! In case you don't remember here's an excerpt:

"According to the CompuBox numbers, Guzman would land 44% of his overall punches, 302 of 686, while Soto managed to land a mere 22%, 192 of 888. Even in the category of power punches, Guzman would land 54% of his shots, 216 of 401. Soto's output was higher at 524, but only 143 of them, coming to 27%, found their target."

Read the rest here: http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=11250

Soto won maybe 2 rounds 3 if your being nice. Something has gotta be said about his punching accuracy and speed.

[shadeyfizzle]

It's funny how you ask for JMM to fight the very same fighters Pacman avoided. Yes, Pacman avoided Guzman after he and his promoter saw Guzman dominate Humberto Soto! What happened to the proposed bout against Valero in Macau?

It's fine to be a fan of a fighter, but at least try to look at things as they are.

I said Marquez should fight valero, not guzman. You can criticize Pacquiao for avoiding Guzman but even Marquez doesnt bring it up because he knows he is 1.6million bucks richer for that decision so even he wouldnt dare touch on that subject. Fact still remains that Pacquiao has 5 wins over guys that were in the top 10 p4p at the time he beat them. If you count Larios who was top 20 p4p when they fought thats 6wins. How many victories does JMM have like that?? Played it too safe for too long i tell you. Now that he's in the twilight of his career might as well take some chances cuz he sure as hell aint gettin in the HOF as is.

[isbj]

I said Marquez should fight valero, not guzman. You can criticize Pacquiao for avoiding Guzman but even Marquez doesnt bring it up because he knows he is 1.6million bucks richer for that decision so even he wouldnt dare touch on that subject. Fact still remains that Pacquiao has 5 wins over guys that were in the top 10 p4p at the time he beat them. If you count Larios who was top 20 p4p when they fought thats 6wins. How many victories does JMM have like that?? Played it too safe for too long i tell you. Now that he's in the twilight of his career might as well take some chances cuz he sure as hell aint gettin in the HOF as is.

You did say Marquez-Valero & Marquez Guzman. There is only 3 that where in top 10 p4p at time of fight the first Barrera fight, the first Morales fight, and both JMM fights. No I will not count Larios who had just lost prior to Pacman fight and moved up two divisions just to fight Pacman, the victory means very little. Who are the other two fighters that where top 10 p4p?

I never said JMM had beaten more p4p fighters than Manny. I assure you JMM is first run ballot HOF as well as Manny.

[JoartCC]

Other than Barrera, Morales, Marquez there is not any other top 10 fighters Pacquiao has beaten, and his victory over Marquez is highly disputed. His KO victories against Morales came after Morales' losses to Barrera and Zahir Raheem, so at those times Morales had already lost the top spot.

It's funny how you ask for JMM to fight the very same fighters Pacman avoided. Yes, Pacman avoided Guzman after he and his promoter saw Guzman dominate Humberto Soto! What happened to the proposed bout against Valero in Macau?

It's fine to be a fan of a fighter, but at least try to look at things as they are.

The moment you downplayed victories over MOrales and Barrera.

You exposed yourself as an idiot.