Aside Roy, is Calzaghe the best fighter Bhop has fought

[GTL]

It's an absolute joke to think that the Roy Jones after like 20 fights would beat the Joe Calzaghe who had 44 fights. Calzaghe is EASILY better than that version of Jones.

i guess well agree to disagree. Roy jones any jones is better than any calzaghe..
calzaghe isnt a great fighter.. seriously. hes not.. i sent ricky some good k before he gives me some bad..

[Fox McCloud]

i guess well agree to disagree. Roy jones any jones is better than any calzaghe..
calzaghe isnt a great fighter.. seriously. hes not.. i sent ricky some good k before he gives me some bad..

Ridiculous. I don't care if Joe Calzaghe isn't that great, he is certainly good enough to beat up a green future elite.

Mayweather after 15 fights gets beat the **** up by Ike Quartey. It happens, even though Mayweather is a better fighter. He just didn't have the experience.

[Fox McCloud]

so you strongly believe the fighter hopkins is now is much better than the one who fought Roy Jones ? he is nowhere near as fast as he was then.

I'll take the Bernard Hopkins who counterpunches and ****s up the rhythm of his opponent anyday over the slugger that he was in his early days.

Like I said, I'll do the same with the defensive jabber Winky Wright instead of his early days when he was a moving slick southpaw.

Those are two fighters that made themselves soooo much better than they were by changing their style into one that only they had.

[THE REED]

im GLAD roy changed his style up now that hes older... he realizes he cant quite move his head fast enough to get away from the punches all the time.. so hes got the winky style defense... smartest move he could of made... and at this stage of his career, to change ur style at 39... thats admirable.

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Joe Calzaghe is better than the version of Roy that Bernard fought. Itty bitty green Roy Jones Jr. would have gotten his ass kicked by the Joe Calzaghe that is fighting April 19th.

ass kicked? for real? i can not agree with that, even a green roy was not gonna get his ass kicked by a 36 yr old calz.

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Okay you two... what ****ing world beater did Hopkins fight during that time after he before he developed his new counterpuncher style? Trinidad was his first good fighter period after Jones, and he definately had control of the ring in that fight and was using his right hand counter effectively.

Don't give me that bull**** that the slugger, green Hopkins was even close to an elite fighter, or even on his way to becoming an elite fighter if he didn't change his style.

Just like Winky Wright wouldn't have been elite had he not changed to his defensive jab style instead of a slick southpaw.

What do you mean "what ****ing world beater did Bernard Hopkins fight during that time?" He fought Roy Jones, d*ck - isn't that the fight we're talking about? And he didn't just lose, he gave him one of the toughest matches in his career. He was damn good THEN. ****, he was the #1 contender while Jones was #2 and they were fighting for a vacant crown.

And I don't know what you're trying to say with this "new counterpuncher style." You mean what old fighters do when they can't do what they did when they were young? Judging from your post, I doubt very much that you saw any Hopkins fight between 1994-1997, when he was an absolute beast in his prime.

Oh and by the way, that period was also dominated by another fighter: Roy Jones Jr. Who, in case you didn't notice, didn't fight like the way he did when he fought Hopkins that night. He improved as well. All fighters, the greats anyway, do that. But their core is what it is - or else they wouldn't be great. Hopkins was as tough an opponent that night (fighting for his FIRST world title) as he was for any other during his prime.

[Fox McCloud]

What do you mean "what ****ing world beater did Bernard Hopkins fight during that time?" He fought Roy Jones, d*ck - isn't that the fight we're talking about? And he didn't just lose, he gave him one of the toughest matches in his career. He was damn good THEN. ****, he was the #1 contender while Jones was #2 and they were fighting for a vacant crown.

And I don't know what you're trying to say with this "new counterpuncher style." You mean what old fighters do when they can't do what they did when they were young? Judging from your post, I doubt very much that you saw any Hopkins fight between 1994-1997, when he was an absolute beast in his prime.

Oh and by the way, that period was also dominated by another fighter: Roy Jones Jr. Who, in case you didn't notice, didn't fight like the way he did when he fought Hopkins that night. He improved as well. All fighters, the greats anyway, do that. But their core is what it is - or else they wouldn't be great. Hopkins was as tough an opponent that night (fighting for his FIRST world title) as he was for any other during his prime.

Well, I'm done talking to you, considering you don't know what I am talking about when I talk about Hopkins switching styles. I was a Hopkins fan when I first started watching boxing, and I picked up as many of his old fights as I possibly could.

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Ridiculous. I don't care if Joe Calzaghe isn't that great, he is certainly good enough to beat up a green future elite.

Mayweather after 15 fights gets beat the **** up by Ike Quartey. It happens, even though Mayweather is a better fighter. He just didn't have the experience.

The only thing ridiculous is this post. Bernard Hopkins had 23 fights when he fought Roy Jones Jr.. That's EIGHT more fights than 15, and ONE more fight than Jones had.

If you wanna say one was green, so was the other. And green or not, they BOTH were great enough to go unbeaten for years and years. Give it a rest.

[IMDAZED]

Well, I'm done talking to you, considering you don't know what I am talking about when I talk about Hopkins switching styles. I was a Hopkins fan when I first started watching boxing, and I picked up as many of his old fights as I possibly could.

Well then perhaps you missed a couple things in those old fights you purchased...like seeing him AGE and compensating the weakening of certain physical gifts with his uncanny ring intelligence. The Hopkins that destroyed Glenn Johnson beats any other version of Hopkins. Now tell me...what style was that?

[Fox McCloud]

The only thing ridiculous is this post. Bernard Hopkins had 23 fights when he fought Roy Jones Jr.. That's EIGHT more fights than 15, and ONE more fight than Jones had.

If you wanna say one was green, so was the other. And green or not, they BOTH were great enough to go unbeaten for years and years. Give it a rest.

Uhhh, they are both green.

Remember the original question I proposed? Would Calzaghe beat that Roy Jones? I say yes he would, and I also say that he beats that Hopkins.

Well then perhaps you missed a couple things in those old fights you purchased...like seeing him AGE and compensating the weakening of certain physical gifts with his uncanny ring intelligence. The Hopkins that destroyed Glenn Johnson beats any other version of Hopkins. Now tell me...what style was that?

Uhhh, he definately had a hell of a lot better ring control than he did in his fights before Jones. Definately. I'm talking about the Hopkins that fought Dennis Milton and Danny Mitchell. He was a straight up slugger.

He changed it after he lost to Jones, but he was starting to pick it up around that time. That being said, I'll take Joe Calzaghe over a Hopkins who is just starting to learn his craft that made him great.