Remember when James Toney said......

[Orion]

I do believe some of the above guys mentioned Pacquiao,Jackson,Mclellan do hit harder than some hw's dont get me wrong, just Rahman is a big boy and i dk if its possible for those guys to produce that type power.

[Boogie Nights]

I do believe some of the above guys mentioned Pacquiao,Jackson,Mclellan do hit harder than some hw's dont get me wrong, just Rahman is a big boy and i dk if its possible for those guys to produce that type power.

to me rahman was not your average puncher. like you know what i mean, the guy didnt really load up on his punches, they were all coming from weight. besides hasim at 6'1 is a large heavyweight, and i never thought his height was a disatvantage.

he reminded me a lot of liston. i love watching rahman, and i think that he's underated. he was a lazy bastard but when he came to fight he fought. the guy had a great jab, and that reach helped him. but unlike other punchers, he didnt rely on speed, or a even a good balance. ive been wathcing him alot and he steps into his punches, almost leans with his weight. heavy hands

[Orion]

to me rahman was not your average puncher. like you know what i mean, the guy didnt really load up on his punches, they were all coming from weight. besides hasim at 6'1 is a large heavyweight, and i never thought his height was a disatvantage.

he reminded me a lot of liston. i love watching rahman, and i think that he's underated. he was a lazy bastard but when he came to fight he fought. the guy had a great jab, and that reach helped him. but unlike other punchers, he didnt rely on speed, or a even a good balance. ive been wathcing him alot and he steps into his punches, almost leans with his weight. heavy hands

I agree with you, Rahman almost looks like hes in slow motion, but man that shot he kod Lewis with was scary, but yea Rahman is about as lazy and fat as they come.

[warp1432]

I agree with you, Rahman almost looks like hes in slow motion, but man that shot he kod Lewis with was scary, but yea Rahman is about as lazy and fat as they come.

James Toney

[Orion]

James Toney

LOL him too.

[Boogie Nights]

I agree with you, Rahman almost looks like hes in slow motion, but man that shot he kod Lewis with was scary, but yea Rahman is about as lazy and fat as they come.

hell yeah, the mccall right hand was prettier though. lol lenny always had a tendecy to let right hands through, even in his fight with klitschko they were sliding through.

funny thing while oliver's hand was more explosive he didnt even see the shot. he got up and looked like he recovered (eventhough he didnt) but he was up and ready to go in.
rahman's right hand you could see miles away connected on lennox and he was dazed for minutes on after the ko.

and they say shots you dont see coming hurt you the most

it works both ways

[Ryn0]

that Iran Barkley hit him harder than Hasim Rahman. Before he faced Peter, Rahman was suppousedly the hardest punching opponent that James has faced as a heavyweight. when asked about the punching power of rahman, toney said that iran barkley had hit him harder at 167

toney is known for his mouth and talking bs. whether that was real, or toney tried to downplay the whole heavyweights-cant-hurt-me scenario is under question, at least for me.

toney is known for a good chin and neither barkley or rahman put him down, unless he was serious why would he lie about that?

punching power is a beautiful thing but it's also complex. i remember watching katsidis fight czar amonsot, and at one point emanuel steward made an interesting coment. he said that these guys punched harder than some heavyweights. he was talking about lightweights!!!!! guys weighing 135. it imediately reminded me of what toney said about rahman. and even though it was at a different weight i still cant play that out in my mind.

i've heard comments like that on several other ocaasions. i aslo believed there were harder punchers at lower weight classes than heavies. But Rahman is known to be a hard and legit puncher eventhough he's slow. he's powerful

it's an interesting topic to me

before i didnt take james seriously but this statement keeps coming back to me

thoughts??

(this thread is a little break from the 24/7 mayweather disscusion )

I think it's from the way a knockout punch is delivered at the weight classes, in the lower weight classes because of the lack of leverage due to height and lack of weight behind the punch they have to use angles, speed and timing to land a knockout punch.
The recipient of the punch at a lower weight has much less time to adjust to take the punch and may not see it coming at all whereas at a higher weight more emphasis is put on brute force as the punches are slower but still powerful because there is alot more leverage and weight behind the punch so even if you can adjust the punch might still KO you. There are exceptions of course where heavyweights such as Lewis and Tyson were small heavyweight and required speed, timing and angles to get their most powerful punches off.

[TheGreatA]

Barkley did fight at heavyweight and scored some knockouts (8 KO's at HW). I don't know if he hit as hard as Rahman but he could punch.

I'm not sure if either fighter even scored cleanly on Toney though.


Barkley vs Duran. Watch for the left hook at 5:20.


Barkley KO's Van Horn (00:25).


Barkley highlights 02:00.

[Boogie Nights]

I think it's from the way a knockout punch is delivered at the weight classes, in the lower weight classes because of the lack of leverage due to height and lack of weight behind the punch they have to use angles, speed and timing to land a knockout punch.
The recipient of the punch at a lower weight has much less time to adjust to take the punch and may not see it coming at all whereas at a higher weight more emphasis is put on brute force as the punches are slower but still powerful because there is alot more leverage and weight behind the punch so even if you can adjust the punch might still KO you. There are exceptions of course where heavyweights such as Lewis and Tyson were small heavyweight and required speed, timing and angles to get their most powerful punches off.

You saying Lennox Lewis was a small heavyweight?? or you mean Joe Louis?

[Boogie Nights]

Barkley did fight at heavyweight and scored some knockouts (8 KO's at HW). I don't know if he hit as hard as Rahman but he could punch.

I'm not sure if either fighter even scored cleanly on Toney.

both were good fights, but toney didnt have any scary moments. james is a slickster.

i did see barkley fight at heavyweight. espn once showed his fight with Gerrie Coetzee, that's the only heavyweight barkley fight that ive seen and he was off. the guy he was fighting was equally as bad, but i dont think iran had much success in that division. and i didnt see any power from him. he was a better puncher in lower weight than he did weighin 230. he looked worse than toney did in resemblance. Fat