(Prime) Roy Jones Jr vs Joe Calzaghe

[Jolly Roger]

It was on a video I saw a while back.

Is that recent? Ie he doesn't want a part of the old Roy Jones?

[RichCCFC]

Same here.. I wonder if anybody can up that??

It wasn't on youtube. It was in an interview after Calzaghe beat Brewer with ********boxing.com. Calzaghe was saying he wanted Hopkins and said he knew he could beat him and then talked about Roy Jones Jr.

I saw the actual interview on BBC news a long time ago.

[Silencers]

Calzaghe didn't give him a rematch because Reid demanded too much money. I think it' possible to fight bigger threats yet still not have a better resume than someone. Calzaghe's two biggest wins were bigger threats than Jones' but he didn't fight enough of them.

About the Griffin fight... How can you call a 1 round KO answering all the questions? Griffin didn't get enough time to box Jones like he did in the first.

That's the point lol. Jones came out and destroyed him, proved that Griffin wasn't in his class and Griffin was on his way to being knocked out if Jones hadn't hit him when he was down.

[K-Nan]

That's the point lol. Jones came out and destroyed him, proved that Griffin wasn't in his class and Griffin was on his way to being knocked out if Jones hadn't hit him when he was down.

Yeah, I don't get that rationale either. He came back and destroyed a guy who had given him trouble for 9 rounds. You don't let him prove a point- you beat him.

[RichCCFC]

That's the point lol. Jones came out and destroyed him, proved that Griffin wasn't in his class and Griffin was on his way to being knocked out if Jones hadn't hit him when he was down.

It proved Griffin wasn't in his class but it didn't prove that someone else couldn't use that stratergy to beat him. Lets say Bernard Hopkins for example... I wont go on about that fight though because everyone has bad fights.

[slicksouthpaw16]

You guys know that Calzaghe was almost beaten by Robin Reid and what was Reid's main weapon in that fight? A counter right hand. Jones' lead right would be a nightmare for Calzaghe, the speed and angles he threw it from would have Calzaghe tentative to open up. Calzaghe even said he didn't want a piece of Jones.

Thats not a good comparison that you would want to use to tell the outcome of this fight. You couldn't get more different in styles than Reid and Jones. Reid's chin was proven and he didn't mind fighting on the inside. Jones didn't like being hit at all.

Also, when did Calzaghe say that he didn't want a piece of Jones?

[Left2body]

Green is what a fighter is before they become champion and Hopkins did not beat good opposition until after the Jones fight. After the loss to Jones, he didn't get his hands on a belt until 6 more fights after that when he beat Mercado in the rematch. You wouldn't call that green? The Hopkins that beat Glen Johnson was in his prime. That was when he had his ora down, his skills had picked up and he was an all around better fighter.

Believe it or nor, Lacy was not as green as Hopkins because 1, he fought top 10 guys at that point and beat them 2, he had a title belt at the time. He was the IBF/IBO super middleweight champion and had some goods wins over Sydvanderpool and the experienced Robin Reid. Again, Hopkins didn't have any major titles nor beat a top fighter or contender at that point. The more experienced Hopkins that beat Glen Johnson would have loss a close decision to prime Jones.






In what other fight did Toney have to be hooked up to Ivs, didn't train properly or had to be hospitalized? That was Toney in the worse physical shape in his life. Look at the physical shape he was in when he beat Iran Barkley at 168? He was trim, lean and had great stamina. The Toney that fought Jones was fat, slow and couldn't fight more than minute of one single round.

Also, i would favor Kessler and Lack both over the early green Hopkins and weighted drained Toney because they could simply out work him. Again, Toney couldn't fight more than a minute of each round. Hopkins and Toney at their best could beat Lacy and Kessler but not the versions that Jones fought. People underestimate Lacy after the loss to Calzaghe. Lacy in reality was a very good champion. It was just the skills and experience of Calzaghe that overwhelmed him. Lacy could have became a better fighter after the loss as well but he took too long to return is mentally not right as of now. Don't underestimate Kessler and Lacy because Calzaghe because there is no shame in that. Calzaghe is the greatest super middleweight of this era and maybe of all time. He accomplished some great things.

I agree with that statement, even posted so in another thread earlier. However, that version of James Toney is by far, Far beyond Lacey at his best. James Toney cut significant weight for many fights before Jones including the McCallum fight.

People always think and theorize that Hopkins peaked against Tito. No Hopkins didn't peak then, he just got his first taste of the super spotlight at that point. There are earlier versions of Hopkins that would've beaten that one.

[Mugwump]

It's also worth mentioning that Robin Reid WAS a very good fighter. I think I'm right in saying he was an Olympic medalist (which whilst not guaranteeing quality is often a good indicator of such). Without doubt he had some very good attributes - definitely not the past-his-prime shadow that Lacy steamrolled over.

I wish for once Reid would get some respect. He's earned it.

[Silencers]

It proved Griffin wasn't in his class but it didn't prove that someone else couldn't use that stratergy to beat him. Lets say Bernard Hopkins for example... I wont go on about that fight though because everyone has bad fights.

Hopkins was outclassed by Jones too but Hopkins was green at the time, it wasn't an off night for Hopkins, Jones was just too good for him. No one else managed to use that strategy to beat Jones.

Right hand counters is what Calzaghe sometimes exposes himself to, Byron Mitchell hurt him bad with a counter right hand, Hopkins will give him trouble with his right hand leads and counter rights in their fight too even though I think Calzaghe will win.

[RichCCFC]

Hopkins was outclassed by Jones too but Hopkins was green at the time, it wasn't an off night for Hopkins, Jones was just too good for him. No one else managed to use that strategy to beat Jones.

Right hand counters is what Calzaghe sometimes exposes himself to, Byron Mitchell hurt him bad with a counter right hand, Hopkins will give him trouble with his right hand leads and counter rights in their fight too even though I think Calzaghe will win.

I think he has learnt with age though and gets up for the big fights more.. He was open to be hit against Byron because he was brought into a slug fest. Watch the Kessler fight and then the Byron fight, Calzaghe has learnt how to keep his head to his left when being hit with the counter right hand.