Your Official Standpoint on Calzaghe vs Hopkins

[βetamax]

I got Calzaghe winning a close decision. It's going to be one of those fights that's a tough call. Calzaghe will be more active and land more punches, mainly pitty-pat stuff and maybe a few descent shots every now and then. Hopkins on the other hand will fight his usual more conservative style but he'll land the more clean, hard punches. One judge will see it for Hopkins while the other 2 will favor Joe's more active fight. when it's over it will be argued to death who won the the fight and in Hopkins mind it will be a victory regardless of the outcome. This way when he's criticized for all his pre-fight talk he can just say that he actually won the fight and his legacy shouldn't be tarnished.

By the way I'm a HUGE Hopkins fan. He's by far my favorite fighter and I hope I'm dead wrong!

[TheGreatA]

Clearly, you're one of those who'll just say "Hopkins was just an old man" after Calzaghe beats him!

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=15

But if B-Hop really is so past it as you say, why does the Ring have him as p4p #4 and BoxRec rate Hopkins as p4p#1? He won his fight with then-p4p Wright (through dirty tactics).

Winky Wright was past his best weight and age.

Winky was p4p one of the best but we have to take the weight class and age into consideration as well.

The win over Wright is not as great as it would be if Hopkins was fighting a 30 year old Wright at LMW.

Wright isn't a "similar age" to Hopkins, he's the same age, 36, as Calzaghe! I bet you discredit Calzaghe's win over Eubank, by saying Chris was an "old man" at age 31.

Was Fernando Vargas (29 years old) in his prime against Mayorga?

Calzaghe showed he can still hang with the younger guys by defeating Kessler.
The last time Hopkins fought a young guy, he lost (though his idiotic gameplan contributed to that loss).
His recent wins have come over Tarver, a 40 year old and Winky Wright, a 36 year old natural Light middleweight.

I'm questioning whether Hopkins can still fight at the kind of pace Calzaghe does / does he have the ability to make Calzaghe fight at his own pace.

Kind of the same way you discredit Marciano's resume, right? Why don't you send Hopkins a walking cane while you're at it?

I was only making a point about you being biased because you discredit Ali's victories over Liston, Patterson and Moore because they were old but glorify Marciano's victories over Charles, Louis and Walcott even though they were just as old.

[SkillspayBills]

Calzaghe probably SD in a fight that shouldn't be scored that close.

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Hopkins beats Calzaghe clearly. Not so much exposing him but proving he's in a different league. I'm expecting Hopkins to give a physically dominant performance and likely stop Calzaghe within the distance. I'm also expecting Calzaghe to go out kicking and screaming like a baby, making excuses about hand injuries or something not being fair. Then all his groupies will flood the internet to back up some bull**** excuse....

[abadger]

Hopkins beats Calzaghe clearly. Not so much exposing him but proving he's in a different league. I'm expecting Hopkins to give a physically dominating performance and likley stop Calzaghe within the distance. I'm also expecting Calzaghe to go out kicking and screaming like a baby making excuses about hand injuries or something not being fair. Then all his groupies will flood the internet to back up some bull**** excuse....

All your points vs all of mine? You have Hopkins, I have Calzaghe. Manner of victory irrelevant.
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[The Hammer]

I was only making a point about you being biased because you discredit Ali's victories over Liston, Patterson and Moore because they were old but glorify Marciano's victories over Charles, Louis and Walcott even though they were just as old.

No, it was the opposite. I was pointing that out to counter your discrediting of Marciano.

You said Moore was old when Marciano fought him, but you give Ali credit for defeating him eight years later!

Again, Charles wasn't really so old at 33, he was close to the same age as Marciano! Oh, right, for some OTHER reason you figure he was old...

You say Eubank was old at 31, but Calzaghe is young at 36?

Wright was old at 35 last year even though he was highly rated p4p, but Calzaghe is young at 36?

There's a pattern to your arguments - you are very predictable - you will never, never give an Italian boxer credit. When I saw you posted in this thread, before I read the actual post, I knew you would make a big deal of B-Hop's age.

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All your points vs all of mine? You have Hopkins, I have Calzaghe. Manner of victory irrelevant.

You got it.

[abadger]

You got it.

Done. Lets sig it.
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Done. Lets sig it.

OK, What do I have to do?

[TheGreatA]

No, it was the opposite. I was pointing that out to counter your discrediting of Marciano.

You said Moore was old when Marciano fought him, but you give Ali credit for defeating him eight years later!

Again, Charles wasn't really so old at 33, he was close to the same age as Marciano! Oh, right, for some OTHER reason you figure he was old...

Your post:

Many of his biggest wins were over past prime fighters, like Liston, Moore and Patterson.

My response:

Many of his biggest wins were over past prime fighters yes, but so were many of the biggest wins for other top heavyweights.
Jeffries for Johnson, Johnson for Willard, Willard for Dempsey, Dempsey for Tunney, Max Baer for Louis, Louis, Walcott and Charles for Marciano, Moore for Patterson, Ali and Norton for Holmes, Holmes for Tyson, Tyson and Holyfield for Lewis... the list goes on.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=166675

You say Eubank was old at 31, but Calzaghe is young at 36?

Calzaghe has shown that he is still competitive at this age (shown against Kessler), Eubank on the other hand had lost 2 times to Collins and went on to lose twice against Carl Thompson and retire.

The win over Eubank isn't as big for Calzaghe as it was for Collins because Eubank was a reigning, undefeated champion at that time.

When Calzaghe beat him, he beat a man coming off 2 losses. Eubank is still a top win though.

Wright was old at 35 last year even though he was highly rated p4p, but Calzaghe is young at 36?

Not only old but small.

There's a pattern to your arguments - you are very predictable - you will never, never give an Italian boxer credit. When I say you posted in this thread, before I read it, I knew you would make a big deal of B-Hop's age.

This part of your post is so ******.
I don't really need to prove anything but Jake LaMotta is one of my favorite fighters and he is Italian. So stop that bulls***.