FLOYd might one day BE MORE POPular than ALI.....!!!!

[Horus]

If Gatti was A draw...

HIS first P.P.V should of been against the Number 1 P.P.V Attraction in Boxing... ( De La Hoya)

The fact of the matter is that Bob Arum knew that Gatti would be the perfect oponent for Floyd to showcase his skills to make him more Exciting Against a popular Club Fighter...On his First P.P.V to make people buy the Second P.P.V.....

and in FACT this is what HAPPEN..!!!

Floyd vs. Gatti =360,000 buys 1St P.P.V
Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys 2nd P.P.V


Come on Get your head out your Ass...

Gatti was Floyd's stepping Stone into P.P.V

just like Judah was Cotto stepping stone to P.P.V

people bought that fight

to see Gatti fight Mayweather....
not Mayweather fight Gatti...


People came to that fight in NEW JERSEY to see Gatti....

People around the US people bought that fight to see Gatti fight Mayweather

thats the difference

if you dont argee then you must say that Judah was the draw in the
Judah vs. Cotto Fight..!!

Please Show FACTS to support your Claims, instead of your opinions...

I am Stating to you FACTS...

i CAN NOT DO ANYTHINg about you not accepting the facts...

THOSE ARE THE FACTS...

Devell and boxing

and Notice the only people agreeing with you are Noted Floyd's Haters...
and Voted that Floyd is not even a Draw in 2008...

So that's show you that Hate loves Hate when it come to mayweather

[Damn_Zany_Gun]

fact is, hes a ****ty entertainer LOL

his acting on WWE sucks

His music sucks

His fighting isnt even tha tentertaining, and he wont fight the best ni his own sport


and this is coming from someone who has floyd as my 2nd fav fighter lol

They ought to give you a prize on here for being so real. Not sure if you are always this truthfull but Floyd's fans should take lessons from you.

Lately I have seen your posts as being straight up and honest. Good for you. You might be one of those rare exceptions up on this *****. (when it comes to Floyd and being a fan)

[GTL]

Answer those Queations i posted to him..if you can


If People Paid to see only Gatti and Gatti was the draw for the P.P.V..??

Why was that Gatti first P.P.V?
Gatti wasnt even on P.P.V against De La Hoya...
Why wasnt he ever on a P.P.V before then If he was a draw...deserving the majority of the credit for the P.P.V...

THE FACT is That was both of their First P.P.V
Before they met , neither Arturo Gatti nor Floyd Mayweather had ever headlined a pay-per-view event. Nevertheless, the bout did an impressive 360,000 buys, generating $15.3 million in PPV revenue. With those numbers, Gatti and Mayweather join Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad as non-heavyweights who have the star power to carry a pay-per-view event.

How did Gatti's next P.P.V do..????
NEVER HAD ANOTHER P.P.V

Floyd Next P.P.V did 375,000 buys


Why didnt Gatti didnt Have Another P.P.V after Floyd if he was the the draw for the P.P.V..???

Shouldnt it be the other way around...

To add to that...

Floyd vs. Gatti did 360,000 buys
Floyd vs. Judah did 375,000 buys

Why didnt Gatti didnt Have Another P.P.V after Floyd if he was the the draw for the P.P.V..???

and in Floyd next Fight he did Better than the Gatti Fight..!!!

People in Gatti Hometown on Jersey came to see Gatti fight Mayweather...

But History has proven since the Gatti Fight Who the Draw Really Was...

"FACT"

seriously.. are u ****in ******ed?
****, let me go get 2501 to **** with u..

the facts..
ur showing numbers..
what boxing prospect said is 100 percent accurate.. gatti lost and hasnt faught a big name since..
btw, how did the baldomir fight go.. his ppv number kept going up and up right?

[Horus]

seriously.. are u ****in ******ed?
****, let me go get 2501 to **** with u..

the facts..
ur showing numbers..
what boxing prospect said is 100 percent accurate.. gatti lost and hasnt faught a big name since..
btw, how did the baldomir fight go.. his ppv number kept going up and up right?

Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):

Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million

"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.

Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.

Now Let's Compare Floyd to Oscar

Boxing Number #1 P.P.V Attraction FIGHTING NO NAME FIGHTERS...WITH barely NO U.S Exposure

Because Floyd vs. Anybody else fighting No Name Fighters with very little U.S exposure he wins Hands down..!!

Examples:

Roy Jones generated 160,000-175,000 buys in his first few PPV bouts against Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding.

This was when Jones was A p4p Elite...

So what that tell you about Floyd doing Better 3x times with Baldomir

or
Floyd vs. Baldomir

did better or than each fight in the memorable Marco Antonio Barrera-Erik Morales trilogy produced 300,000-320,000 buys and $13-15 million.

or
Floyd vs. Baldomir

Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 225,000 PPV buys

And I can Name Alot of Other Fighters and fights too that Flop with Marginal Names compare to Floyd with a no name and no exposure Baldomir..

But Let's Continue

Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):

M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...

Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,


So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...


You would of this if you would of read the thread..!!

[T-97]

I never read your posts cause they are always to long and you use loads of colours for some reason, is it incase someone like, gets bored readong it so the colours grab their attention or what?

Basically; i didnt read what you wrote, too tierd

[Horus]

Your Logic is Absent from basic intelligent thinking and not support by Facts...!!!



Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):

Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million

"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.

Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.

Now Let's Compare Floyd to Oscar

Boxing Number #1 P.P.V Attraction FIGHTING NO NAME FIGHTERS...WITH barely NO U.S Exposure

Because Floyd vs. Anybody else fighting No Name Fighters with very little U.S exposure he wins Hands down..!!

Examples:

Roy Jones generated 160,000-175,000 buys in his first few PPV bouts against Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding.

This was when Jones was A p4p Elite...

So what that tell you about Floyd doing Better 3x times with Baldomir

than

Jones did with Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding

or


each fight in the memorable Marco Antonio Barrera-Erik Morales trilogy produced 300,000-320,000 buys and $13-15 million.

or

Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 225,000 PPV buys

And I can Name Alot of Other Fighters and fights too that Flop with Marginal Names compare to Floyd with a no name and no exposure Baldomir..

But Let's Continue

Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):

M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...

Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,

So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...

Now Lets See what Happens when Floyd Has A well-known name challenger in the other corner :

vs.

EveryBody Else

Remember Floyd draw is not base on popularity, he plays the bad guy role he is more Notorious than Popular....

The rest of these fighters are Popular....

Floyd vs. One A well-known name challenger who been on P.P.V before besides Oscar:

Floyd vs. Hatton 850,000 in the US alone = $47 million in PPV revenue


The highest tally ever for a PPV boxing match that did not feature a heavyweight fighter such as Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield, or a Latino fighter like Oscar De La Hoya.

facts:

This fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or Oscar.

Floyd vs. Hatton Combined = 2.5 Million buys just to throw that in there...




Oscar vs. Big Names Not Name Mayweather:

Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million in PPV revenue
Shane Mosley II (9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million in PPV revenue
Bernard Hopkins (9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million in PPV revenue
Ricardo Mayorga (5/06) 875,000 buys = $43.8 million in PPV revenue




Pacquaio vs. Big Names

Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
Pacquaio vs. Marquez 400,000 buys

Roy Jones vs. Big Names

Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV

Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:

Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys

Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar

Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys

Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys

THE REAL POINT...

Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names

Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to

Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys

and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all those fights..

And Judah is barely a marginal Name

So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?



So Floyd did fight a nobody his name was Carlos Baldomir and that fight was almost the equivalent to any of the big fights in the past 10 years...and better than 1/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P.V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

Like I said Before Floyd fighting a A well-known name challenger Is better than anybody not name Oscar,Tyson, or Holyfield

Floyd Mayweather = 216.65 Million on 4.65 million Buys ( 5 Events)







Mark Taffet HBO:

Jones-Tarver I did 302,000 buys and Jones-Tarver II did 384,000 buys. Mayweather’s fights with Gatti (originally reported at 340,000 but now at 360,000 buys) and Judah (375,000 buys now, hopefully a bit higher when the dust settles in a few months) outperformed Jones-Tarver I and came within 8% of Jones-Tarver II --- an excellent relative performance by Mayweather’s first two PPV fights. While Tarver-Jones III was originally reported at 415,000 buys, the fight actually ended up generating around 440,000 buys, which was outstanding. And to expect Floyd’s first two PPV fights to outperform Tarver-Jones III --- the rubber match of a classic trilogy --- would be unfair. Also remember that Roy Jones generated 160,000-175,000 buys in his first few PPV bouts against Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding, and didn’t really breakthrough on PPV until he fought John Ruiz for the heavyweight title (602,000) and then fought Tarver three times. So Mayweather’s first two PPV fights fare very well by these yardsticks.

Remember, Taylor-Hopkins II generated 410,000 buys after Hopkins-Taylor I generated 370,000 buys. At 370,000 buys, Hopkins-Taylor I compared very similarly to Mayweather’s first two PPV fights, and don’t forget that Hopkins had been in a 480,000-buy PPV fight with Trinidad in 2001 and a 1,000,000-buy event versus Oscar De La Hoya before the two fights with Jermain Taylor. With this as background, Mayweather’s first two PPV fights again stand up well in a relative comparison.

And Trinidad-Wright was a great success at 520,000 buys, but remember that 70,000 of those buys came from Tito’s homeland Puerto Rico where he is a “national” hero, so the 450,000 US buys are a better barometer when comparing to Mayweather’s bouts. Additionally, you must note that Trinidad had previously been in big PPV promotions against Hopkins (480,000 buys), Vargas (560,000 buys) and De La Hoya (1,400,000 buys) prior to the Winky Wright event. Again, when taking all this into account, Mayweather’s first two PPV events fare very well.


Gatti-Mayweather PPV Success
Before they met , neither Arturo Gatti nor Floyd Mayweather had ever headlined a pay-per-view event. Nevertheless, the bout did an impressive 340,000 buys, generating $15.3 million in PPV revenue. With those numbers, Gatti and Mayweather join Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad as non-heavyweights who have the star power to carry a pay-per-view event.

Read before you critized...

or

Dont critized at ALL...

[Horus]

I never read your posts cause they are always to long and you use loads of colours for some reason, is it incase someone like, gets bored readong it so the colours grab their attention or what?

Basically; i didnt read what you wrote, too tierd

I understand, But at least you didnt come in here hating Knowing you didnt even read the thread..!

because some people ask questions where the answers are already in the thread and i have to keep Reposting...

At least you was Honest

[Horus]

It's Ironic how people hate Floyd ...And Are so bias
that they Create Amazing double-standards

the "Double-Standard" FLOYD on Has on him is Amazing. Floyd is Held to a Standard No Fighter in History is Held too,,,

"Mayweather Double-Standard"

1. Cant Fight Nobody who is his same size or smaller then him or it isnt a fair fight...
(Have to fight Bigger Opponents for the fight to be Fair...)
2. No tune up's fights
3. Gotta be Fighting every 4 Months..
4. Gotta focus only on Boxing
5. Cant fight for Money, He has to fight to proved what he already is.. and that is Number #1
6. Anybody he fights and beats is a bum until somebody else beats them, then that's that Fighter career Achievement.
7. You only can Compare Floyd to All Time Greats or it dont Count
8. Floyd whole resume doesnt Count... Just only 2 years of his resume
9. Floyd cant turn down no fight...
10. Floyd must Fight every fighter in Boxing to proved he is Number #1

Like the saying goes...

Whatever applies to Floyd, apparently doesn't apply to anyone else. And what doesn't apply to Floyd, applies to everyone else. It's a circle.

" Floyd only sold 325k with no name Baldomir... he's not a REAL STAR"

"WOW Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys!! They are the true stars of boxing!"

I know some of you didnt read this...

[deevel79]

Horus. Your is a bit creepy now.

[Horus]

If Floyd mayweather is not a draw then why is 90% of boxing scene threads are about Mayweather...? Excluding my own...

If Mayweather is not a draw why don’t the cotto fans want Cotto to fight Hatton instead of Mayweather or De La Hoya instead of Mayweather..?

If Mayweather isn’t a Draw why even care if he fights in Boxing or the WWE..?

IF Mayweather isn’t a draw THE PEOPLE who voted that he wasn’t a draw should proved they have no interest in him...

By Publicly Declaring they will not Support anymore Mayweather threads...

And Stop contradicting themselves by saying he is not a Draw but they are the main one's drawing all the attention to him and the one’s who are in all the Mayweather Threads and Making Most of the Threads... and watching all the Mayweather events when he is on T.V

So anybody who voted that he is not a DRAW...Stand by your VOTE...
And prove he is not a DRAW to you
by not Supporting anymore Mayweathers threads, Fights, or anything Mayweather name is on Since he is not a big enough Draw to warrant even your Attention or vote....

I would like to see that happen and really proved people believe what they say, and just not Hating on Mayweather just cause they Don’t Like Him...

So

PEOPLE WHO VOTED MAYWEATHER ISNT A DRAW

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Stand by your WORD and Prove He isnt a Draw to you...
STOP supporting His threads.


I mean AFTER ALL Brian Magee is not a draw, and it is apparent because his P.P.V's number are 0 and You cant Find a Thread about him if you want to..because Nobody Supports Him... Negative or positive..


NOW THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF PEOPLE ACTUALLY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY...

or

Will THEY JUST continue To say things They themselves Know they do not Believe.....