FLOYd might one day BE MORE POPular than ALI.....!!!!

[Horus]

LOL Horus is just relentless with his little science project, well well well

all right tell me something Horus

how is it that when you're a big draw people walk out of your fights before they even finish? im talking about little Junior's perfomances, and you know exactly what im talking about.

so im wondering as to what your answer will be?


Fact: he's **** to watch boring as ****, and that's why everyone in the arena boos him and walks out on his sorry ass


FLOYD IS A ****ING DISGRACE. YES THAT'S ANOTHER WELL KNOWN FACT

Fact: Something that actually exists; reality; truth.

Opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.


"Fact: he's **** to watch boring as ****, and that's why everyone in the arena boos him and walks out on his sorry ass" - OPINION

If he so boring to watch...
Why is he the 2nd biggest draw in boxing..??
Everybody in the entire arena boo's him can you prove that or is that just loud ass Haters..??

EVERYone in the whole arena left the fight before it was over..??

how is it that when you're a big draw people walk out of your fights before they even finish? im talking about little Junior's perfomances, and you know exactly what im talking about.-OPINION

Floyd fight with Baldomir is the equivalent to a 40 point blow out in Basketball
When you see People going home in the begining of the Fourth Quarter
Like you will see in any Celtic's,Suns,Spurs,Lakers blow out games....

So sense they walk out doesnt that meaned all those teams are sorry..???

FACT = Tiger woods walk out the baldomir fight
FACT = Tiger Woods walk right back in Floyd next 2 fights...


Your whole Post was your personal Feelings about Floyd and provided very little substance or "FACTS"



You are what I like to called

The "Passionally Uninformed.."

[K-Nan]

Everybody in the entire arena boo's him can you prove that or is that just loud ass fans..??

I think we can tell the difference between boos and cheers.

[Horus]

I think we can tell the difference between boos and cheers.

So are you agree that EVERYBODY in the Arena boo'ed Floyd..

I will admit Floyd is more Hated than Love by some people...

But that is why he is a draw..



Floyd draw is not base on popularity, he plays the bad guy role he is more Notorious than Popular....

The rest of these fighters are Popular....

But to say THE WHOLE ENTIRE arena booed Floyd are even "EVERYBODY" booed Floyd is ridiculous and not a "FACT"

That dude Whole Post was filled with OPINIONS.....

AND I PROVED him wrong with FACTs

[Boogie Nights]

horus i see you made an extensive use of the dictionary, watching and listening to the **** that comes out of floyd's mouth can do that to a boxing viewer......he takes after his dad, **** runs in the family. Floyd's only real IQ is lifestyle flashy, he uses that ****** mentality to feel better about himself, because he cant be himself in real life. that says that he's an insecure little ***** who puts on an act, and he aint real. that mother****er is not even from the ******, he'd show up in the hood and he'd get eaten by real men, people who wouldnt give much **** about how flashy his lifestyle is with all them ***els wrapped around his ass.

in the gatti floyd fight, arturo was the attraction. people came to see him fight, gatti had the reputation for his wars. the robinson fights, the trilogy with ward, and other come from behind victories.

Gatti was a warrior, he put asses in seats. who was floyd? he was a ****ing school boy with milk on his cheeks.

in the judah fight it was even. the fight had 2 quick talented boxers and public wanted to see them matched together. the early rounds little junior was ****ting his trunks when zab showed he wasnt playing.

in the baldomir mayweather fight there was mystique surrounding the fight. people wanted to see if the argentinian could shut that *****'s mouth. it did weak numbers. and it showed why. at least baldomir showed balls to make it a fight, floyd ran, and he did better than anyone on the track team.

im not gonna argue with you about the hatton, and oscar fights because you still wont get it. it's universally known that hatton and oscar were the real attraction, to say otherwise is utterly ridiculous and biased. AND YOU KNOW IT, you just speaking through bull****, and your love for that little ***** who avoids fights.

floyd runs fighters who can do his ass in. and that's a fact my friend. that's why he's taking these pointless ****ty rematches, going to WWE, and all that other bs.

and check your ****ing poll to see whats up


and for all that dictionary ****, your grammar is not up for par

its passionately, no such word passionaly

[Horus]

Fact: that little ***** is AVOIDING EVERY ELITE WELTERWEIGHT OUT THERE, NOT JUST COTTO, EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVERY-****ING-ONE name one legit welterweight he beat that he wasnt expected to beat, name one? and dont come here bringing Judah, just dont do it.


FLOYD IS A ****ING DISGRACE. YES THAT'S ANOTHER WELL KNOWN FACT

Fact: Something that actually exists; reality; truth.

Opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

name one legit welterweight he beat that he wasnt expected to beat, name one? .

he beat that he wasnt expected to beat

NAME one FIGHTER in the welterweight Division That Floyd would be a 3 to 1 Favorite over..??? NAME one fight 154 0n down to 135 That Floyd wouldnt be favored to win...??



name one legit welterweight

Carlos Baldomir = Linear Champion at the time - He was the man who beat the Man

Zab Judah = Was the former Liner Champion- was the number 2 WelterWeight at the time they Fought..!!!


These are Facts

"FACTS"



I CAN NOT do anything about you not accepting these FACTS, but that doesnt change that these are FACTS

yOU just stating your Opinion..

[deevel79]

So are you agree that EVERYBODY in the Arena boo'ed Floyd..

I will admit Floyd is more Hated than Love by some people...

But that is why he is a draw..



Floyd draw is not base on popularity, he plays the bad guy role he is more Notorious than Popular....

The rest of these fighters are Popular....

But to say THE WHOLE ENTIRE arena booed Floyd are even "EVERYBODY" booed Floyd is ridiculous and not a "FACT"

That dude Whole Post was filled with OPINIONS.....

AND I PROVED him wrong with FACTs

The problem with being hated is, his drawing power consists of people wanting to see him lose. Guys like Gatti lost, yet still had a huge fanbase/ turnout whenever he fought. Hatton lost his last fight, yet still sold 50k tickets the first day they went on sale for his upcoming fight. Pac could lose his next fight, and still be a major draw. Same could be said for guys like Cotto, and Pavlik.

If Floyd is such a big draw that he feels he his, then why not use his so-called star power to pull in those big numbers fighting guys who aren't Oscar or Hatton? Floydboys will tell u that Floyd is waiting for Cotto to become a superstar b4 Floyd agrees to fight him. If Floyd is this superstar that he claims to be, then why should he have to wait till Cotto becomes a star? Fact is, Floyd uses his 0 in conjunction with his opponents popularity in order to draw fans into purchasing tickets and ppv's for his fights.

You can make the argument that Oscar/Floyd did better numbers than anyone of Oscar's previous fights, but when did Oscar ever have the very influential tool of a 24/7 to market those past fights? never. Oscar/Tito did 1.4million buys withought major promotion or marketing. If they had a 24/7, it is very possible that it could've done what Floyd/Oscar did, and maybe even more.

I voted "no" because i dont feel Floyd can carry a very successfull ppv at this time, with just his name alone. He is much more disliked now, than he was when he fought Baldomir. Lets not forget that Floyd was just coming off an impressive win against Gatti, in which Floyd obliverated Gatti in the ring. Only to turn around and stink the place out against Baldomir. He then turned off alot of casual fans in his OVERLY hyped fight against Oscar. Hatton/Floyd did well because of the circumstances surrounding both fighters. U.S.A vs UK rivalry. Both were undefeated. Hatton's massive fanbase drew interest from American fans. etc.... Floyd even got booed in his hometown against a foreign fighter! When the hell was the last time something like that has EVER happended in the history of ANY sport?

Now im not gonna sit here and say Floyd sucks, because the fact is, he is probably the most gifted fighter in the sport today, but at the same time, he has turned off MANY of his dedicated fans with all this WWE crap, and his reluctance to face the top comp that the fans, and boxing world are asking of him. He has went on the record as to say that boxing is now taking a backseat to wrestling. I say that is VERY dissrespecfull to the fans, and to the sport as a whole. Mark my words....Once he loses his 0, he will lose all his marketability! I guess that the reason for his constant path of least resistance.

[Horus]

horus i see you made an extensive use of the dictionary, watching and listening to the **** that comes out of floyd's mouth can do that to a boxing viewer......he takes after his dad, **** runs in the family. Floyd's only real IQ is lifestyle flashy, he uses that ****** mentality to feel better about himself, because he cant be himself in real life. that says that he's an insecure little ***** who puts on an act, and he aint real. that mother****er is not even from the ******, he'd show up in the hood and he'd get eaten by real men, people who wouldnt give much **** about how flashy his lifestyle is with all them ***els wrapped around his ass.

in the gatti floyd fight, arturo was the attraction. people came to see him fight, gatti had the reputation for his wars. the robinson fights, the trilogy with ward, and other come from behind victories.

Gatti was a warrior, he put asses in seats. who was floyd? he was a ****ing school boy with milk on his cheeks.

in the judah fight it was even. the fight had 2 quick talented boxers and public wanted to see them matched together. the early rounds little junior was ****ting his trunks when zab showed he wasnt playing.

in the baldomir mayweather fight there was mystique surrounding the fight. people wanted to see if the argentinian could shut that *****'s mouth. it did weak numbers. and it showed why. at least baldomir showed balls to make it a fight, floyd ran, and he did better than anyone on the track team.

im not gonna argue with you about the hatton, and oscar fights because you still wont get it. it's universally known that hatton and oscar were the real attraction, to say otherwise is utterly ridiculous and biased. AND YOU KNOW IT, you just speaking through bull****, and your love for that little ***** who avoids fights.

floyd runs fighters who can do his ass in. and that's a fact my friend. that's why he's taking these pointless ****ty rematches, going to WWE, and all that other bs.

and check your ****ing poll to see whats up


and for all that dictionary ****, your grammar is not up for par

its passionately, no such word passionaly

Where are your Facts at..???

Give evidence to your claims...
Give Facts to support your argument...

:EVERYTHING BELOW IS SUPPORTED FACTS:

People paid to see only Judah..?


But Judah was never on a P.P.V before..

if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?

Mayweather was the Draw
"FACT"


People paid to see only Baldomir..?


Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

So people Paid to see a fighter who only fought in the U.S 2 times...???

You know this is Bull****...and a opinion shared by haters

Mayweather was the Draw
"FACT"



People Paid to see only Gatti..??


That was both of their First P.P.V
Before they met , neither Arturo Gatti nor Floyd Mayweather had ever headlined a pay-per-view event. Nevertheless, the bout did an impressive 340,000 buys, generating $15.3 million in PPV revenue. With those numbers, Gatti and Mayweather join Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad as non-heavyweights who have the star power to carry a pay-per-view event.

How did Gatti's next P.P.V do..????
NEVER HAD ANOTHER P.P.V

Mayweather and Gatti was the Draw
"FACT"


People paid to see only De La Hoya..??


Oscar vs. Big Names Not Name Mayweather:

Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million in PPV revenue
Shane Mosley II (9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million in PPV revenue
Bernard Hopkins (9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million in PPV revenue
Ricardo Mayorga (5/06) 875,000 buys = $43.8 million in PPV revenue

Oscar vs. Mayweather 2.15 Million Buys = 120 million

I dont even need to explain this one...Because if Oscar could of sold this many P.P.V by himself he would of did before he turn 34...
and against way more popular fighters than Floyd...

Mayweather was half the reason this fight did so good..
Because if Oscar was Past his Prime Like everybody says...

Then it is no way in hell a past his prime fighter can sell 2.15 million P.P.V at $49.95 by himself

Because he would of did it before in his prime...
"FACT"


People only paid to see Hatton



Hatton only had 3 fights in the U.S before the Floyd Fight None in which were on P.P.V..?? None that had a live gate of over 5 million dollars...

Floyd vs. Hatton 850,000 in the US alone = $47 million in PPV revenue


The highest tally ever for a PPV boxing match that did not feature a heavyweight fighter such as Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield, or a Latino fighter like Oscar De La Hoya.

facts:

This fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or Oscar.

Floyd vs. Hatton Combined = 2.5 Million buys just to throw that in there...


"FACT"



Your whole Post was your personal Feelings about Floyd and provided very little substance or "FACTS"


THESE ARE ALL FACTS..!!!!

I CAN NOT do anything about you not accepting these FACTS, but that doesnt change that these are FACTS

yOU just stating your Opinion..


Where are your Facts at..???

Give evidence to your claims...
Give Facts to support your argument...

[Boogie Nights]

horus i see you made an extensive use of the dictionary, watching and listening to the **** that comes out of floyd's mouth can do that to a boxing viewer......he takes after his dad, **** runs in the family. Floyd's only real IQ is lifestyle flashy, he uses that ****** mentality to feel better about himself, because he cant be himself in real life. that says that he's an insecure little ***** who puts on an act, and he aint real. that mother****er is not even from the ******, he'd show up in the hood and he'd get eaten by real men, people who wouldnt give much **** about how flashy his lifestyle is with all them ***els wrapped around his ass.

in the gatti floyd fight, arturo was the attraction. people came to see him fight, gatti had the reputation for his wars. the robinson fights, the trilogy with ward, and other come from behind victories.

Gatti was a warrior, he put asses in seats. who was floyd? he was a ****ing school boy with milk on his cheeks.

in the judah fight it was even. the fight had 2 quick talented boxers and public wanted to see them matched together. the early rounds little junior was ****ting his trunks when zab showed he wasnt playing.

in the baldomir mayweather fight there was mystique surrounding the fight. people wanted to see if the argentinian could shut that *****'s mouth. it did weak numbers. and it showed why. at least baldomir showed balls to make it a fight, floyd ran, and he did better than anyone on the track team.

im not gonna argue with you about the hatton, and oscar fights because you still wont get it. it's universally known that hatton and oscar were the real attraction, to say otherwise is utterly ridiculous and biased. AND YOU KNOW IT, you just speaking through bull****, and your love for that little ***** who avoids fights.

floyd runs fighters who can do his ass in. and that's a fact my friend. that's why he's taking these pointless ****ty rematches, going to WWE, and all that other bs.

and check your ****ing poll to see whats up


and for all that dictionary ****, your grammar is not up for par

its passionately, no such word passionaly

i stand by what's written here, these are not just facts, it's common ****ing sense. you just presume that the facts you come up with change the obvious. it doesnt, and that's reality

[Horus]

The problem with being hated is, his drawing power consists of people wanting to see him lose. Guys like Gatti lost, yet still had a huge fanbase/ turnout whenever he fought. Hatton lost his last fight, yet still sold 50k tickets the first day they went on sale for his upcoming fight. Pac could lose his next fight, and still be a major draw. Same could be said for guys like Cotto, and Pavlik.

If Floyd is such a big draw that he feels he his, then why not use his so-called star power to pull in those big numbers fighting guys who aren't Oscar or Hatton? Floydboys will tell u that Floyd is waiting for Cotto to become a superstar b4 Floyd agrees to fight him. If Floyd is this superstar that he claims to be, then why should he have to wait till Cotto becomes a star? Fact is, Floyd uses his 0 in conjunction with his opponents popularity in order to draw fans into purchasing tickets and ppv's for his fights.

You can make the argument that Oscar/Floyd did better numbers than anyone of Oscar's previous fights, but when did Oscar ever have the very influential tool of a 24/7 to market those past fights? never. Oscar/Tito did 1.4million buys withought major promotion or marketing. If they had a 24/7, it is very possible that it could've done what Floyd/Oscar did, and maybe even more.
.

Ok First I want to say I can understand why you dislike him...
BUT to suggest he is not A DRAW... is letting your emotions control your thinking instead of your brain...

YOU SAID:

If Floyd is such a big draw that he feels he his, then why not use his so-called star power to pull in those big numbers fighting guys who aren't Oscar or Hatton?

Why would you take away his to most successful fights....
Would take away from other fighters most successful fights and then say that they can not sell....

Be fair.. Dont used Double Standards to justified your points..
Used one standard to judge all fighters....

I address just this point:

the "Double-Standard" FLOYD on Has on him is Amazing. Floyd is Held to a Standard No Fighter in History is Held too,,,


"Mayweather Double-Standard"



1. Cant Fight Nobody who is his same size or smaller then him or it isnt a fair fight...
(Have to fight Bigger Opponents for the fight to be Fair...)
2. No tune up's fights
3. Gotta be Fighting every 4 Months..
4. Gotta focus only on Boxing
5. Cant fight for Money, He has to fight to proved what he already is.. and that is Number #1
6. Anybody he fights and beats is a bum until somebody else beats them, then that's that Fighter career Achievement.
7. You only can Compare Floyd to All Time Greats or it dont Count
8. Floyd whole resume doesnt Count... Just only 2 years of his resume
9. Floyd cant turn down no fight...
10. Floyd must Fight every fighter in Boxing to proved he is Number #1

Like the saying goes...

Whatever applies to Floyd, apparently doesn't apply to anyone else. And what doesn't apply to Floyd, applies to everyone else. It's a circle.

" Floyd only sold 325k with no name Baldomir... he's not a REAL STAR"

"WOW Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys!! They are the true stars of boxing!"



You said:

"If Floyd is this superstar that he claims to be, then why should he have to wait till Cotto becomes a star? Fact is, Floyd uses his 0 in conjunction with his opponents popularity in order to draw fans into purchasing tickets and ppv's for his fights. "


I address this point already.... but here is a summary..

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=169907
(Just read the first part of this Post)

FLOYD VS. COTTO

Floyd is Spoiled Now, He is not fighting in anything less than Events from now on....and his last 2 fights have been Events to not just the Boxing World but for the Sport and Entertainment world...

Look how much Promoting Floyd had to do for the Hatton FIGHT....
"Dancing with the Stars"

Look what he is doing for the next De La Hoya Fight
"WrestleMania"

Now what do you think he is going to have to do for the Cotto fight if he chooses to fight him right now...
"American Idol"...???

Sorry Cotto Fans,
Floyd is not going to do anything special for the Cotto and Arum to build this fight

Floyd is expecting Cotto and Arum to do something Special to build this fight Simply because he does not like Arum

example..: He is suing Arum for pocket change just cause i believe....

And that something Special is Getting those other 2 belts..!!!

Cotto is not a Draw outside of Boxing Yet so he has no choice but to get those belts to fight Floyd or become a mainstream Attraction...

And Floyd knows Cotto doesnt have a personality so the only option Cotto has is to become GREAT. and get those 2 belts.!!!...



Man I know yall might think I hate Cotto..I DONT...
I just Understand reality

[Vladimir303]

Yaaaaaawwwn!!!