FLOYd might one day BE MORE POPular than ALI.....!!!!

[Googler]

Oscar v. Floyd is a joke. Its like Rocky 6. The old fart fights the champ, comes very close, but loses at the end. This is where it is going.

Floyds boxing career is over. Now he is in show business trying to squeeze as much money as he can. I find it funny that many people think these oscar-floyd fights are actually superfights.

[Horus]

Oscar v. Floyd is a joke. Its like Rocky 6. The old fart fights the champ, comes very close, but loses at the end. This is where it is going.

Floyds boxing career is over. Now he is in show business trying to squeeze as much money as he can. I find it funny that many people think these oscar-floyd fights are actually superfights.

That Wasnt the Point of this Thread..

The point was to Proved that you have to be popular in order to be a draw.....THAT is a MYTH..., and FACTS just dont support it...

And Floyd like it or not, Is the 2nd Biggest Draw in the sport not because he is popular.....It is because he is "Notorious"....

[QuCongee]

Floyd does it all he can play the notorious bad guy or the popular nice guy who is a star athelete.

So he's an actor.

[Horus]

Your Logic is Absent from basic intelligent thinking and not support by Facts...!!!



Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):

Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million (2nd P.P.V)

"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.

Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.

Now Let's Compare Floyd to Oscar

Boxing Number #1 P.P.V Attraction FIGHTING NO NAME FIGHTERS...WITH barely NO U.S Exposure

Because Floyd vs. Anybody else fighting No Name Fighters with very little U.S exposure he wins Hands down..!!

Examples:

Roy Jones generated 160,000-175,000 buys in his first few PPV bouts against Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding.

This was when Jones was A p4p Elite...

So what that tell you about Floyd doing Better 3x times with Baldomir

than

Jones did with Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding

or


each fight in the memorable Marco Antonio Barrera-Erik Morales trilogy produced 300,000-330,000 buys and $13-15 million.

or

Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 225,000 PPV buys

And I can Name Alot of Other Fighters and fights too that Flop with Marginal Names compare to Floyd with a no name and no exposure Baldomir..

But Let's Continue

Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):

M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...

Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,

So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...

Now Lets See what Happens when Floyd Has A well-known name challenger in the other corner :

vs.

EveryBody Else

Remember Floyd draw is not base on popularity, he plays the bad guy role he is more Notorious than Popular....

The rest of these fighters are Popular....

Floyd vs. One A well-known name challenger who been on P.P.V before besides Oscar:

Floyd vs. Hatton 850,000 in the US alone = $47 million in PPV revenue


The highest tally ever for a PPV boxing match that did not feature a heavyweight fighter such as Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield, or a Latino fighter like Oscar De La Hoya.

facts:

This fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or Oscar.

Floyd vs. Hatton Combined = 2.5 Million buys just to throw that in there...




Oscar vs. Big Names Not Name Mayweather:

Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million in PPV revenue
Shane Mosley II (9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million in PPV revenue
Bernard Hopkins (9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million in PPV revenue
Ricardo Mayorga (5/06) 875,000 buys = $43.8 million in PPV revenue




Pacquaio vs. Big Names

Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
Pacquaio vs. Marquez 400,000 buys

Roy Jones vs. Big Names

Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV

Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:

Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys

Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar

Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys

Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys

THE REAL POINT...

Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names

Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to

Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys

and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all those fights..

And Judah is barely a marginal Name

So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?



So Floyd did fight a nobody his name was Carlos Baldomir and that fight was almost the equivalent to any of the big fights in the past 10 years...and better than 1/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P.V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

Like I said Before Floyd fighting a A well-known name challenger Is better than anybody not name Oscar,Tyson, or Holyfield

Floyd Mayweather = 216.65 Million on 4.65 million Buys ( 5 Events)







Mark Taffet HBO:

Jones-Tarver I did 302,000 buys and Jones-Tarver II did 384,000 buys. Mayweather’s fights with Gatti (originally reported at 340,000 but now at 360,000 buys) and Judah (375,000 buys now, hopefully a bit higher when the dust settles in a few months) outperformed Jones-Tarver I and came within 8% of Jones-Tarver II --- an excellent relative performance by Mayweather’s first two PPV fights. While Tarver-Jones III was originally reported at 415,000 buys, the fight actually ended up generating around 440,000 buys, which was outstanding. And to expect Floyd’s first two PPV fights to outperform Tarver-Jones III --- the rubber match of a classic trilogy --- would be unfair. Also remember that Roy Jones generated 160,000-175,000 buys in his first few PPV bouts against Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding, and didn’t really breakthrough on PPV until he fought John Ruiz for the heavyweight title (602,000) and then fought Tarver three times. So Mayweather’s first two PPV fights fare very well by these yardsticks.

Remember, Taylor-Hopkins II generated 410,000 buys after Hopkins-Taylor I generated 370,000 buys. At 370,000 buys, Hopkins-Taylor I compared very similarly to Mayweather’s first two PPV fights, and don’t forget that Hopkins had been in a 480,000-buy PPV fight with Trinidad in 2001 and a 1,000,000-buy event versus Oscar De La Hoya before the two fights with Jermain Taylor. With this as background, Mayweather’s first two PPV fights again stand up well in a relative comparison.

And Trinidad-Wright was a great success at 520,000 buys, but remember that 70,000 of those buys came from Tito’s homeland Puerto Rico where he is a “national” hero, so the 450,000 US buys are a better barometer when comparing to Mayweather’s bouts. Additionally, you must note that Trinidad had previously been in big PPV promotions against Hopkins (480,000 buys), Vargas (560,000 buys) and De La Hoya (1,400,000 buys) prior to the Winky Wright event. Again, when taking all this into account, Mayweather’s first two PPV events fare very well.


Gatti-Mayweather PPV Success
Before they met , neither Arturo Gatti nor Floyd Mayweather had ever headlined a pay-per-view event. Nevertheless, the bout did an impressive 340,000 buys, generating $15.3 million in PPV revenue. With those numbers, Gatti and Mayweather join Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad as non-heavyweights who have the star power to carry a pay-per-view event.

How can people Honestly Vote that PBF is not a draw....

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

I voted he is not a draw. I admit that was based off of your thread title, and comparing him to Ali. After reading your original post and replies, I would have to agree Mayweather is a draw. On 24/7 He played the perfect antagonist to Oscar and Hatton's good guy image. I find it hard to follow some of your post, but this was well thought out and makes sense.

Just a few quick questions Horus. I'm not trying to bait you into anything, just an honest question that I'm having trouble figuring out myself. Do you feel Mayweather's drawing power has increased over his last 2 PPV's or was he just part of some great marketing/promotion on HBO's part, I'm referring to 24/7. What kind of PPV numbers would you expect from a Mayweather/Margarito or Mayweather/Williams without 24/7? Do you think his PPV numbers would slide back down to his Judah or Baldomir level, slight increase, or huge increase?

[K-Nan]

I normally don't reply to your ****, but I must say that you make the ****ing gayest threads I have ever read. Your **** is typed out like a teenager's ******* page.

[Horus]

I voted he is not a draw. I admit that was based off of your thread title, and comparing him to Ali. After reading your original post and replies, I would have to agree Mayweather is a draw. On 24/7 He played the perfect antagonist to Oscar and Hatton's good guy image. I find it hard to follow some of your post, but this was well thought out and makes sense.

Just a few quick questions Horus. I'm not trying to bait you into anything, just an honest question that I'm having trouble figuring out myself. Do you feel Mayweather's drawing power has increased over his last 2 PPV's or was he just part of some great marketing/promotion on HBO's part, I'm referring to 24/7. What kind of PPV numbers would you expect from a Mayweather/Margarito or Mayweather/Williams without 24/7? Do you think his PPV numbers would slide back down to his Judah or Baldomir level, slight increase, or huge increase?

Do you feel Mayweather's drawing power has increased over his last 2 PPV's ?

Without a doubt, In the last two P.P.V's Mayweather has finally Figure out what works for him....He understand's that he doesnt have the Charm Nor a effective Authentic Persona to be a popular fighter yet... It would seem fake if Mayweather try to start acting like "Shane Mosley" or "Oscar De La Hoya"
because those guys have a humble Charm about them...and Floyd doesnt... That's why he has taken the road of being the Ultimate Bad Guy.. and thus that have made Him Notorious...!!

What kind of PPV numbers would you expect from a Mayweather/Margarito or Mayweather/Williams without 24/7?

24/7 really re-Introduce Floyd to America and the world as the new Ali from the "Notorious" Standpoint.. It was a Brilliant marketing plan... And I think That Help boost Floyd's appeal..

I think if Floyd fought Margarito or Williams right now with no 24/7..
The P.P.V would do around 500,000 P.P.V buys at this point of Floyd Career..

Because remember Floyd vs. Judah didnt have a countdown Show or any Promotion on HBO besides reminders of the fight...

and that did 375,000 P.P.V and that was before Floyd had the oppurtunity to re-introduce himself to the world....

So now Floyd's Name alone is going to sell...Because Margarito and Williams arent big name's yet and they have No Drawing Power...but if Floyd Fought them people would buy the fight thinking floyd might lose to the bigger man..


Look at Oscar vs.a fighter without a well known Name


Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million

This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,


So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...

and I think That Would happen to Floyd too...

Do you think his PPV numbers would slide back down to his Judah or Baldomir level, slight increase, or huge increase?

Floyd vs. Baldomir was a Huge Success when you put it into Perspective

Floyd vs. Judah was better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P.V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?


Does that answer your Question...



and oh yeah No disrespect taken...

[DrewWoodside]

These threads are impossible to read, and generally just intended to antagonize people. If Horus is older than 20 years old he should be ashamed.

[FLYBOY]

LOL. this is never gonna happen.

ALI touched people's souls... he stood up against the government for humanity... that's why he had a large following all over the world.

FLOYD didn't stand up to anything. he's just out there to get money in his bank. remember how he said, AMERICA IS BUILT ON 2 THINGS... MONEY AND CONTROVERSY. that's why he acts to be controversial. to put more money in his bank.

[Horus]

LOL. this is never gonna happen.

ALI touched people's souls... he stood up against the government for humanity... that's why he had a large following all over the world.

FLOYD didn't stand up to anything. he's just out there to get money in his bank. remember how he said, AMERICA IS BUILT ON 2 THINGS... MONEY AND CONTROVERSY. that's why he acts to be controversial. to put more money in his bank.

If you read it...It says right in the Start of the Thread...That Floyd Wont ever Compared to Ali Popularity..

But i understand if you didnt read it..


The point was to Proved that you have to be popular in order to be a draw.....THAT is a MYTH..., and FACTS just dont support it...

And Floyd like it or not, Is the 2nd Biggest Draw in the sport not because he is popular.....It is because he is "Notorious"....