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  • Dynamite Kid
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    #41
    Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
    I think Mike McCallum was absolutely terrific, one of the most gifted, fluid fighters ever and probably the best body-puncher ever from range with the long left hook downstairs as well as the best counter-puncher to the body ever... but Michael Watson in the Eubank/Watson II match was something else.
    If Watson put McCallum under the kinda preassure he put Eubank under then Maybe that is still a big maybe though, McCallum is a far better body puncher & counter puncher than Eubank

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    • Orange Sneakers
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      #42
      I don't even think Eubank was a counter-puncher, like everyone else does. He used to lead from the outside and reflex himself (including his chin) out of harms way to make a man miss and score two points in one go. If a man came at him, sure he'd pick them off with his flashy shots but not strictly counter-punch. I don't get how people call Eubank a pure counter-puncher, when most of his work was done out of range looking to lead off.

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      • Dynamite Kid
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        #43
        Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
        I don't even think Eubank was a counter-puncher, like everyone else does. He used to lead from the outside and reflex himself (including his chin) out of harms way to make a man miss and score two points in one go. If a man came at him, sure he'd pick them off with his flashy shots but not strictly counter-punch. I don't get how people call Eubank a pure counter-puncher, when most of his work was done out of range looking to lead off.
        Eubank not a counter puncher lol

        he only looked good when people were leading to him ,Benn 1 ,Wharton , he looked awfull when he had to take the lead

        he was 'nt very good at making people miss then countering like Toney but he was counter puncher primarly

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        • Orange Sneakers
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          #44
          He only countered if a man came at him. If a man was static or moving, he wouldn't try to force the man to lead or try to counter counters, he'd just lead off from out of range and get his chin out of harms way, not pretty but effective (44 fights before loss, etc)

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          • Kenny Blankenship
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            #45
            He was a certifiable maniac.

            He was driving down a road in Florida (I believe it was with his trainer at the time). He saw some pink flamingos, turned the car around and ran over a flock of them on purpose, he laughed.

            He strangled and snapped the neck of a swan at a hotel. The hotel had a waterfall/pond in the front lobby with a swan in it, he killed it for kicks.

            The guy was a piece of ****in' ****. Anyone that has any sympathy for him is a moron. The only people anyone should feel sad for is his family because they have to take care of his sorry ass.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Terrible...
              If Watson put McCallum under the kinda preassure he put Eubank under then Maybe that is still a big maybe though, McCallum is a far better body puncher & counter puncher than Eubank
              Eubank vs McCallum would have been an interesting match-up. Post Watson II I'd back McCallum to finish him off on points. Pre Watson - I think Eubank had the edge. He was both a brutal puncher and finisher.

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                #47
                Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
                He only countered if a man came at him. If a man was static or moving, he wouldn't try to force the man to lead or try to counter counters, he'd just lead off from out of range and get his chin out of harms way, not pretty but effective (44 fights before loss, etc)
                when u are fighting the likes of Ray Close ,Dan Sherry , successfull title defences are much easier to come by than when u are fighting the likes of Mike McCallum ,James Toney & it allows u to get away with leaping in with the big 1 2 and then ducking away to the floor when u miss to avoid the counters

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                • Orange Sneakers
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
                  (44 fights before loss, etc)
                  And he won that first Collins fight, without a shadow! About 5% of Collins's punches (mostly lunging, scuffling flurries) landed clean, and Eubanks shots were of a much higher quality. It wasn't even tight, IMO.

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                  • Ryn0
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Terrible...
                    Watson could 'nt take the body attacks & McCallum was a better fighter allround he picked Watson apart with counter punches ,if u think Watson was a better fighter than Mike McCallum then u are an idiot mate
                    how am i an idiot, it entirely opinionated, i think Watson if he stuck to his game and instead of leading, countered he could've beaten Mike McCallum. To say McCallum is leagues above Watson would be idiotic. He beat Watson in a fight where he had to take a year off. IMO watson was a better fight, Mike was a vicious body puncher one of the best but Watson was a very slick well rounded defense fighter and countered well. To say im idiotic for believing that Watson was better than McCallum is idiotic they are both respectable great world champions it's just a shame they never fought again and a shame about Watsons injuries.

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                    • Orange Sneakers
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Terrible...
                      when u are fighting the likes of Ray Close ,Dan Sherry , successfull title defences are much easier to come by than when u are fighting the likes of Mike McCallum ,James Toney & it allows u to get away with leaping in with the big 1 2 and then ducking away to the floor when u miss to avoid the counters
                      I know, but Mike struggled with movers and Eubank could move about as well as anyone (look no further than Benn fight), and even Mike himself admitted that the only way to beat Eubank was to jump all over him!

                      Eubank had a TERRIFIC stiff jab, a Eubank-Toney fight would 100% depend on whether Toney could read it to avoid and counter because otherwise he would be grinded down.

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