Bigger Left Hook at 147?

[Mr. Ryan]

De La Hoya's was quicker and shorter, which affected opponents greater when he turned it all on one shot. You didn't see De La Hoya's left hook, you didn't even feel it when it came. You just went on your back and covered your eyes.

Tito was a mauler, a ****er. He threw everything on every shot, but you could see it coming. Very rarely did Tito catch you with the shot you didn't see.

The major advantage De La Hoya had was that he changed it up. He didn't always try to decapitate you with the left hook. He'd change speeds, power, angles, anything to keep you guessing what was next. Then, he'd just drop the hammer and fight over.

Tito just kinda beat you to death, whereas De La Hoya was a clean assassin.

[AntonTheMeh]

You clearly don't. I WAS defending you!

Listen, you guys are ****ed up with this fan ****..

Some of my best friends on this site are HUGE Cotto fans. The fact that you hate on me for being playful about it is bad enough, but still saying **** me when I'm clearly standing up for you is bull****.

I don't even have a problem with Miguel Cotto. I've taken alot of abuse for saying Cotto was going to lose a fight.. Eventually I started taunting back. That's what you see now. I didn't start ****.. I've been attacked a ****in grip though. Believe that.

SOME people can joke here all day - I joke and it's a different story. Antomin, it's mother****ers like you that turn this into a personal issue when it's about having fun, enjoying the sport, and keeping things loose on an online forum. Like I've said before; people **** all over my preferred fighters and I don't say anything. I say NOTHING.

Don't worry about me though, I'm getting targeted by the highest power on this site now.. They got it covered.

it's just boxing man.it's cool.

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Even though that's Oscar's money punch.

Tito could rifle nasty left hooks equally. And what's insane is how he always threw with ****ing power.

Greatest Puerto Rican Fighter of all Time.

Greater than Gomez.

I might agree with Gomez.

Greater than Ortiz and Benitez, too?

I have always been bothered by Tito's inability to adapt, Someone had a gif of Oscar painting a combo on Tito and Tito just eating it, the gif than had a “tito lean back!!!!” or “tito move back” or something like that. I find that very symbolic of Tito, if posted with a puzzle, he did not find a solution. In the Winky fight he ate an ungodly amount of jabs, I was sorry for him, I know he was past his prime, but it just felt “wrong” the way he kept walking into them. I am SURE he would have been a true great if he had a trainer who was not his father (more than anything being wrong with felix sr, I think the blood tie is the problem)

[Mr. Ryan]

I might agree with Gomez.

Greater than Ortiz and Benitez, too?

I have always been bothered by Tito's inability to adapt, Someone had a gif of Oscar painting a combo on Tito and Tito just eating it, the gif than had a “tito lean back!!!!” or “tito move back” or something like that. I find that very symbolic of Tito, if posted with a puzzle, he did not find a solution. In the Winky fight he ate an ungodly amount of jabs, I was sorry for him, I know he was past his prime, but it just felt “wrong” the way he kept walking into them. I am SURE he would have been a true great if he had a trainer who was not his father (more than anything being wrong with felix sr, I think the blood tie is the problem)

My opinion is Gomez is the best PR fighter ever, followed by Tito, Benitez, and Ortiz. Benitez was the most talented but he never maximized his potential.

[!! Shawn]

Oscars hook was much more educated, but Trinidads was a ****ing freight train.

[!! Shawn]

My opinion is Gomez is the best PR fighter ever, followed by Tito, Benitez, and Ortiz. Benitez was the most talented but he never maximized his potential.

That was a joke, right? Benitez never maximized his potential? Winning a world title at 17 years old from hall of famer Antonio Cervantes.

Moving up in weight and winning a title from Carlos Palomino.

A win over Roberto Duran.

A MD loss to Tommy Hearns.

Giving SRL the toughest fight of his career.

A total of 17 years as a pro. Yeah, he never maximized his potential.

What do you think he needed to do? Did he need to pop his probe?

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My opinion is Gomez is the best PR fighter ever, followed by Tito, Benitez, and Ortiz. Benitez was the most talented but he never maximized his potential.

I can see your (and run's) point, in terms of achievements and in particular “numbers”. I am thinking more in terms of matchups (p4p obviously), and when you have great fighter vs great fighter, questions arise, and the winner is usually the fighter with answers. and answers have been Tito biggest problem.

God only knows what a disciplined Benitez could have been. His career was basically over at 25 and he had already been a 3 division champion by then.

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That was a joke, right? Benitez never maximized his potential? Winning a world title at 17 years old from hall of famer Antonio Cervantes.

Moving up in weight and winning a title from Carlos Palomino.

A win over Roberto Duran.

A MD loss to Tommy Hearns.

Giving SRL the toughest fight of his career.

A total of 17 years as a pro. Yeah, he never maximized his potential.

What do you think he needed to do? Did he need to pop his probe?

I completely agree with Asian. Did you know Benitez trained less than most pro fighters? Did you know he was basically shot at 25 and had brain damage very young?

[!! Shawn]

I can see your (and run's) point, in terms of achievements and in particular “numbers”. I am thinking more in terms of matchups (p4p obviously), and when you have great fighter vs great fighter, questions arise, and the winner is usually the fighter with answers. and answers have been Tito biggest problem.

God only knows what a disciplined Benitez could have been. His career was basically over at 25 and he had already been a 3 division champion by then.

At 25 he was already a 10 year pro. I don't really buy into the stuff about his poor training habits. You don't go 15 rounds with SRL with the kind of training Bert Sugar says he did (or didn't do)

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At 25 he was already a 10 year pro. I don't really buy into the stuff about his poor training habits. You don't go 15 rounds with SRL with the kind of training Bert Sugar says he did (or didn't do)

After 10 year as a pro and when you have that great defense, most fighters are not shot by then.

Remeber he had no amateur career when you count 10 years. Manny Steward seemed to know about Wilfred's training habits too, at the time of the Hearns fight.