Bigger Left Hook at 147?

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I mean... not even the mexican featherweights of the 70s managed to be shot by 25, and they must have been the shortest-lived crop of fighters we had since after the war.

[!! Shawn]

After 10 year as a pro and when you have that great defense, most fighters are not shot by then.

Remeber he had no amateur career when you count 10 years. Manny Steward seemed to know about Wilfred's training habits too, at the time of the Hearns fight.

Different fighters take punishment differently. Some guys are punchy after 10 amateur fights. It doesn't matter how good your defense is, you still take ALOT of punishment.

Lets take Floyd for example. He only gets hit by 18% of his opponents punches. If they average 500 punches thrown a fight, that is still 90 punches a fight. 90* 30 fights = 2700 punches to the head, plus sparring. Generally you spar atleast 7 rounds for every round of a fight. so lets take that 2700 punch number and multiply it by 7 for the punishment taken sparing. That is a total of 21,600 punches that Floyd would have taken over just 30 fights.

Now, considering that every fighter takes punishment differently, the fact that Benitez ended up with brain damage is not surprising. Getting punched in the head is not conducive to brain health

[Mr. Ryan]

I can see your (and run's) point, in terms of achievements and in particular “numbers”. I am thinking more in terms of matchups (p4p obviously), and when you have great fighter vs great fighter, questions arise, and the winner is usually the fighter with answers. and answers have been Tito biggest problem.

God only knows what a disciplined Benitez could have been. His career was basically over at 25 and he had already been a 3 division champion by then.

Benitez fell into the trappings of success. Women, partying, that was the life for him. He had success too soon and didn't know how to handle it. His overbearing father didn't help much. Benitez is the classic case of a guy who has too much "father" in his career, like Zab Judah. Once the dedication is gone, it's usually gone for good.

There is no doubt about it to me, Benitez would've had Tito's number. Beyond a reasonable doubt, Benitez's style would have been hell for Tito. But we're going on accomplishments and Tito just commanded the greater aura.

[!! Shawn]

Benitez fell into the trappings of success. Women, partying, that was the life for him. He had success too soon and didn't know how to handle it. His overbearing father didn't help much. Benitez is the classic case of a guy who has too much "father" in his career, like Zab Judah. Once the dedication is gone, it's usually gone for good.

There is no doubt about it to me, Benitez would've had Tito's number. Beyond a reasonable doubt, Benitez's style would have been hell for Tito. But we're going on accomplishments and Tito just commanded the greater aura.

List one win legitimate win in titos career that is as good as Carlos Palomino or Antonio Cervantes, much less Roberto Duran.

[rebmogul]

List one win legitimate win in titos career that is as good as Carlos Palomino or Antonio Cervantes, much less Roberto Duran.

How about the 3 round annihilation of Yory Boy Campas? If I remember right it was 1994, Tito's 23rd or 24th fight and Campas was 54-0 w/ 42 KOS, (someone correct the numbers if needed).

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How about the 3 round annihilation of Yory Boy Campas? If I remember right it was 1994, Tito's 23rd or 24th fight and Campas was 54-0 w/ 42 KOS, (someone correct the numbers if needed).

You're saying Tito's win over Yory Boy Campas was more impressive than Benitez' win over Cervantes, Duran or Palomino?

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How about the 3 round annihilation of Yory Boy Campas? If I remember right it was 1994, Tito's 23rd or 24th fight and Campas was 54-0 w/ 42 KOS, (someone correct the numbers if needed).

He said Palomino, Cervantes and Duran.

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Different fighters take punishment differently. Some guys are punchy after 10 amateur fights. It doesn't matter how good your defense is, you still take ALOT of punishment.

Lets take Floyd for example. He only gets hit by 18% of his opponents punches. If they average 500 punches thrown a fight, that is still 90 punches a fight. 90* 30 fights = 2700 punches to the head, plus sparring. Generally you spar atleast 7 rounds for every round of a fight. so lets take that 2700 punch number and multiply it by 7 for the punishment taken sparing. That is a total of 21,600 punches that Floyd would have taken over just 30 fights.

Now, considering that every fighter takes punishment differently, the fact that Benitez ended up with brain damage is not surprising. Getting punched in the head is not conducive to brain health

1) Punches in sparring are more often than not different than punches in fights.

2) You wear headgear in sparring.

If you want to think that Benitez was more prone to brain damage than 99% of the top pros, fine.

I will go with the notion of him being closer to the average with that respect and that he did not train properly, which is backed up by everyone who said something about his training.

[AntonTheMeh]

benitez's health had to do with genetics"his brother had the same disease i believe"plus taking the punches he might have didn't help

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benitez's health had to do with genetics"his brother had the same disease i believe"plus taking the punches he might have didn't help

I stand corrected, was he diagnosed as early as Benitez?