The Mystery of Shane Mosley

[BennyST]

I could. In fact, on the ropes, I do.

The shoulder roll is not particular hard to do.

Man, that's crazy! To learn how to fight well using the 'Philly Shell' is very, very, very difficult. You need more than just balls of steel to be willing to stand right in front of a guy who's coming charging in at you throwing everything in the book while you stand on the ropes facing every punch that comes without keeping both your hands up and crouching into a little ball!

First, you need ten tons of ring experience and you also need to have reflexes like lightning as it is a counter punching style. No reflexes, fast hands and great vision and you're dead screwed. I don't mean to sound rude or offend you but to say that style of fighting is not hard is complete and utter bull**** and if you find it easy to do you are most definitely fighting fat chumps who can't fight to save themselves!

If you can use it to roll a punch over your head and put the guy off balance then shoot a perfect counter off it, all the while being aware of any other punches coming your way and defending against them as well, you must be a pretty special fighting specimen...If it was easy there would be a whole lot more pro's using that style! Instead, you see guys that sometimes try to use it and generally they just end up getting hit a lot.

I'd love to see if you can actually make a good fighter miss every punch he throws while you stand directly in front of him with only your right hand covering your face and not throwing any punches back.....?

[tyson]

Man, that's crazy! To learn how to fight well using the 'Philly Shell' is very, very, very difficult. You need more than just balls of steel to be willing to stand right in front of a guy who's coming charging in at you throwing everything in the book while you stand on the ropes facing every punch that comes without keeping both your hands up and crouching into a little ball!

First, you need ten tons of ring experience and you also need to have reflexes like lightning as it is a counter punching style. No reflexes, fast hands and great vision and you're dead screwed. I don't mean to sound rude or offend you but to say that style of fighting is not hard is complete and utter bull**** and if you find it easy to do you are most definitely fighting fat chumps who can't fight to save themselves!

If you can use it to roll a punch over your head and put the guy off balance then shoot a perfect counter off it, all the while being aware of any other punches coming your way and defending against them as well, you must be a pretty special fighting specimen...If it was easy there would be a whole lot more pro's using that style! Instead, you see guys that sometimes try to use it and generally they just end up getting hit a lot.

I'd love to see if you can actually make a good fighter miss every punch he throws while you stand directly in front of him with only your right hand covering your face and not throwing any punches back.....?

Well, I find it rather easy to do on the ropes.

It's all in the nature of being able to keep your eyes open to see which hand is being thrown at you.

Other than that, I just lean back on the ropes, shoulder high enough to reach my temple and keep turning away from whatever hand is coming towards me.

See, it's more than likely that the opponent throws punches in a 1-2 manner;
first left, then right, then left etc...
It's a rythm, all you need to do is watch that rythm and turn sideways in the right way.

It's not like Mayweather counters ten times during shoulder roll, he rolls with the punches and counters when there's a slight hesitation or break in the incoming fire.

I use the shoulder roll on the ropes all the time in sparring, against some of the best talent in my country. It works just fine.
I'm not claiming I don't get hit, but I don't get hit very hard because I'm leaning back away from the punches.

I don't use it much in fights because judges in the AM's will give your opponent points whether he lands flush or not.
Besides, I just wanna kill, so I'm not going backwards too much in fights.

[rebmogul]

I could. In fact, on the ropes, I do.

The shoulder roll is not particular hard to do. What is hard about Floyd's style is the subtle little things he does to throw you off your game.
And the sharpness, coolness and smartness under fire.

I take it that when we talk about Floyd's style, we talk in general about the shoulder-roll defensive stuff!?

In that case, most good fighters can learn how to fight that way.

yeah sure that is why so we see so many do it, huh?

the shoulder roll isn't hard to do? doesn't sound to me like you are speaking from experience.....

[tyson]

yeah sure that is why so we see so many do it, huh?

the shoulder roll isn't hard to do? doesn't sound to me like you are speaking from experience.....

Actually, I am. I can't keep my hands up for more than 30 seconds due to a shoulder injury.
I have to defend with my shoulder at times.

Most people freak out on the ropes. Those that doesn't is smart enough to hold or move out of the ropes. Using shoulder roll is a good way to lose a round in the amateurs, so that's why you won't see many fighters using it.

The style you learn in the AM's is the same style you'll evolve into the pro's.

[-Hyperion-]

...the second winky fight is the last tme is saw technique in shane...

hes just haging in his diminshed skills and toughness now...

[Darkstar]

If its hard to see why Shane Mosley has been a p4p boxer for a long time then your watching the wrong sport.

[Tuggers1986]

Speed is his key and he had very good power at lightweight actually, he was 31-0 with 29 KO's I believe when he moved up but speed was still his main weapon, he had very good footwork and could punch at odd angles, combinations used to flow off of him like it was nothing.

Moving up and beating DLH was a very good achievement, he was the first one to actually beat DLH (I know about the Trinidad fight, but I had DLH winning, so did many people). It was a very, very good fight and I think he managed to stun DLH a few times with quick right hands. But we have to remember, he himself said he was a natural welterweight who had to drain himself to make lightweight.

About 154, he never should have moved up, plain and simple. Bottom line, Shane Mosley is one of the best fighters this decade.

IMO he's the second best lightweight of all time, behind Roberto Duran. I can't understand how somebody can watch his fights from when he was fighting at lightweight up until around 2002/2003 and question how he has done so well. He is an absolutely amazing talent and would beat most boxers past or present at his weight when he was in his prime.

[Silencers]

IMO he's the second best lightweight of all time, behind Roberto Duran. I can't understand how somebody can watch his fights from when he was fighting at lightweight up until around 2002/2003 and question how he has done so well. He is an absolutely amazing talent and would beat most boxers past or present at his weight when he was in his prime.

He's in my top 5.

[wmute]

I could. In fact, on the ropes, I do.

The shoulder roll is not particular hard to do. What is hard about Floyd's style is the subtle little things he does to throw you off your game.
And the sharpness, coolness and smartness under fire.

I take it that when we talk about Floyd's style, we talk in general about the shoulder-roll defensive stuff!?

In that case, most good fighters can learn how to fight that way.

I tried the shoulder roll and for me it noticed it worked wonders against taller guys and to take off their right hands. I think because they were left out of position more than shorter guys when I rolled correctly.

Anyways... NO

When I mean fight like Mayweather, I mean... fight like Mayweather, changing rhythm, variety of punches, his excellent bodywork, how he regularly takes away his opponents' best weapons, and how in the later rounds either they stop throwing or they get stopped. The tricks he uses on the inside and hte proficiency with which he uses them, his timing, his movement around the ring, his brain and so on... i am curious on who 2501 thinks COULD do that, because I dont see anyone and 2501 is mostly on point.

fighting is fighting not the shoulder roll.

[pesticid]

Mayweather's style is so much more about the shoulder roll. He gives you elbows while doing it, he holds, he ducks below the belt.

Now on a serious note, Mayweather has the best footwork in the game of boxing as well as the best reflexes. Add the incredible technique and the best mind in boxing, and you get a super fighter.

MY issue with Mayweather is his risk-averse mentality, which makes for boring fights.

Putting your shoulder up to your chin is not hard but dodging dozens of punches on both the inside and outside that way is an art.

PS: I don't even like Mayweather anymore.