Danny Williams says David haye will punch harder than wlad klitschko

[Guest]

danny williams is a paper weight champion, vitali beat the **** out of him without even breaking a swet. Vitali had a bigger swet against corrie sanders

Is this the same Danny Williams whose chin caused shockwaves throughout Vitali's entire body and left him TKO'd for three years?

[Boogie Nights]

all people talk about how eith added weight Haye will be a murderous puncher. that remains to be seen. Evander Holyfiled said that extra weight does not give you punching power.

What do you think of that statement????

i would disagree because Haye is already a devastating puncher, and he did fight not too far away from a heavyweight's weight. 200 pounds is still big enough.

but i would like to know what people think about what Holy said. we've seen so many times a fighter moving up and not bring enough power as he's used to carry. and we talking about punchers specifically. if they added weight shouldnt they carry heavier hands, at any weight??

discuss.

[BrooklynBomber]

all people talk about how eith added weight Haye will be a murderous puncher. that remains to be seen. Evander Holyfiled said that extra weight does not give you punching power.

What do you think of that statement????

i would disagree because Haye is already a devastating puncher, and he did fight not too far away from a heavyweight's weight. 200 pounds is still big enough.

but i would like to know what people think about what Holy said. we've seen so many times a fighter moving up and not bring enough power as he's used to carry. and we talking about punchers specifically. if they added weight shouldnt they carry heavier hands, at any weight??

discuss.

No, it does not work like that, first of all he is gonna fight against bigger guys and added weight and height of the opponents means it's gonna be much harder to deliver that power(eg Felix Trinidad). Second point is that your power is based on your speed AND stamina(fighters usually don't hit as hard in later rounds as early rounds) and added weight does not go well for either.

Edit: although Felix Trinidad is a not a very good example, he indeed lost a lot of his power when he moved up. Because he fought against much bigger guys.

[Buckfever]

He's definitely shredded to make cruiser so you got to figure he's losing some power getting down. But the idea of him gaining 30lbs seems out there to me without him losing his speed which is what he's going to need to bring. 215-220 shouldn't lose hardly any speed and should bring a bit more power.

The question is going to be the chin and how he'll take the heavy punches of the heavyweights, to the body even.

[Boogie Nights]

No, it does not work like that, first of all he is gonna fight against bigger guys and added weight and height of the opponents means it's gonna be much harder to deliver that power(eg Felix Trinidad). Second point is that your power is based on your speed AND stamina(fighters usually don't hit as hard in later rounds as early rounds) and added weight does not go well for either.

Edit: although Felix Trinidad is a not a very good example, he indeed lost a lot of his power when he moved up. Because he fought against much bigger guys.

how bout jack dempsey barely 190 pounds putting giants on the back with a single punch? tyson wasnt a HUGE guy, but we know what happened when he threw punches. Tommy Hearns who moved up also brought power with him, not one he displayed at welterweight but still hard enough to drill a hole. i think what everyone is saying "size does matter" but so many times we've seen "Little Big" guys destroy the big bafoons in the ring. i think most of the time it's psychological. if a fighter is a natural puncher he should be able to make the transition with power go well. stamina is another question. yes the bigger you are the harder you gotta work. with speed it's optional imo. sometimes big punchers are slow. i.e foreman but their shot's move you back. in haye's case it's speed. 200 pounds of muscle moving so fast, that's what creates that devastating power. same was for tyson. blinding speed, and excellent leverage on his punches. excellent leverage to get most of your power.

i recall also foreman commenting on oscar about his punching power. i dont remeber which broadcast but he said that oscar doesnt even balance himself well for a punch, he just throws them with hands, he's got hands of stone. it was something of that nature that he said. kinda hard for a fighter to deliver big power without putting everything in it.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Edit: although Felix Trinidad is a not a very good example, he indeed lost a lot of his power when he moved up. Because he fought against much bigger guys.

Yeah, but it seemed to me Trinidad put on fat, not muscle.

[BrooklynBomber]

Yeah, but it seemed to me Trinidad put on fat, not muscle.

It does not really matter much, remember how many punches it took him to take down Joppy or Mayorga.

[BrooklynBomber]

how bout jack dempsey barely 190 pounds putting giants on the back with a single punch? tyson wasnt a HUGE guy, but we know what happened when he threw punches. Tommy Hearns who moved up also brought power with him, not one he displayed at welterweight but still hard enough to drill a hole. i think what everyone is saying "size does matter" but so many times we've seen "Little Big" guys destroy the big bafoons in the ring. i think most of the time it's psychological. if a fighter is a natural puncher he should be able to make the transition with power go well. stamina is another question. yes the bigger you are the harder you gotta work. with speed it's optional imo. sometimes big punchers are slow. i.e foreman but their shot's move you back. in haye's case it's speed. 200 pounds of muscle moving so fast, that's what creates that devastating power. same was for tyson. blinding speed, and excellent leverage on his punches. excellent leverage to get most of your power.

i recall also foreman commenting on oscar about his punching power. i dont remeber which broadcast but he said that oscar doesnt even balance himself well for a punch, he just throws them with hands, he's got hands of stone. it was something of that nature that he said. kinda hard for a fighter to deliver big power without putting everything in it.

Both Demspey and Tyson are frontfooted fighters(Haye is backfooted) and both of these guys main assets were their speed and swarming style. Tyson was also a good counterpuncher who could hit you where you don't see and Tyson was a natural heavyweight.

It is too much to explain if you don't diffirentiate between Haye and Tyson's style

[Derranged]

Danny Williams would get KO'd by either..

[sparked_85]

if he keeps the speed he'll be just as devastating a puncher.

No doubt in my ind whatsoever.

The question with Haye will always be whether or not someone knocks him out. With the bigger boys it's a possibility, but man people with champions like Sam Peter....jesus.