has mayweather fought anyone better than a prime castillo since 2002???

[Gareth Ivanovic]

We already talked about this once and I already educated you on the ramifications.

I will remind you again.

Judge the content.

Do you understand?

But honestly, we both know your position is really untenable. It's a proven fact that Fake Floyd is a coward and a duck.

His resume proves it.

VIds on youtube shows him pissing on his pants and stuttering.

And let's not forget him favorite line.

I'm not fighting to prove to the fans whos the best.

Really all you may have are excuses.

You can attack my personality. But in the end, we both know that will only establish what I'm saying as true and correct as you have strayed from the main point.

If you consider that owned than consider me owned. You really haven't educated me because you say the same things over and over again. Saying things like it's plain and common sense and saying everything you say is true and correct. I mean to you it might be true and correct, but you come off as your word is absolute and everthing else is false. It's just hard to take you seriously when most of your post are about degrading Floyd. I mean I've seen you post in threads about Floyd that had nothing to do with him. It just gets old after awhile.

[JoartCC]

If you consider that owned than consider me owned. You really haven't educated me because you say the same things over and over again. Saying things like it's plain and common sense and saying everything you say is true and correct. I mean to you it might be true and correct, but you come off as your word is absolute and everthing else is false. It's just hard to take you seriously when most of your post are about degrading Floyd. I mean I've seen you post in threads about Floyd that had nothing to do with him. It just gets old after awhile.

Well. Whatever since you will not contest what I'm saying then let's leave it at that.

I may be repetetive in what I say.

But the big question is.

Is it true?

Here you go again with your personality attacks. Lols.

Let's leave things as they are.

[Gareth Ivanovic]

Well. Whatever since you will not contest what I'm saying then let's leave it at that.

I may be repetetive in what I say.

But the big question is.

Is it true?

Here you go again with your personality attacks. Lols.

Let's leave things as they are.

Sorry for the personality attacks, but I have people I work with that are the same way and it just gets on my nerves sometimes, but at the same you can know to take a guys opinion seriously or not, by what he's said before. Especially if what he's said before has been consistent.

[NAPO]

we can argue about floyds fight and there are exemptions but ricky hatton was a legit win no matter what he was at his prime and undefeated even thou he was a junior welterweight.

[MEXICAN BAD ASS]

we can argue abot floyds fight and there are exemptions but ricky hatton was a legit win no matter what he was at his prime and undefeated even thou hw was a junior welterweight.

how is that better than beating a prime castillo at his best weight?? i would be more impressed if mayweather beat hatton at 140 and even more impressed if it was in england.

[pbftxrs316]

I think after the two Castillo fights, Floyd just stopped caring about fighting real opposition. I thought Hatton was sort of a step up and I was a little shocked that he took that fight but then again Hatton is at his best at 140 and he is the smaller man of the two. I have really lost the little respect I had for Floyd, he's a total joke.

hatton may be at his best at 140, but the place to be is 147, and hatton was offered a fight with floyd in 2005, when floyd was a killer, and hatton knew his ass was going to get kicked regardless, so he opted not to take the fight, claiming he wasn't ready. this is pretty much old news. kosta was offered a fight with floyd also, but opted not to take it, instead fighting hatton and losing, so floyd decided to get bug money fights, which is why he went with gatti, and he dominated him like no other, and fighting a guy like n'dou with 30 knockouts in 32 fights is not taking a risk? it sure is. floyd was usually smaller than his opponents at 140-147, even hatton, so that is risky enough even though skillwise, he is big foot compared them. now, as far as mosley, he turned down floyd twice, at 135 and 147 publicly, after coming off a huge win by knockout over vargas, but nobody seems to remember this. think about it folks. floyd is a smart mother ****er, he wanted winky wright, lascana, freites, and cassamayor, while they were looked at as a threat to him, when really, their styles were decent, but floyd's style was levels above theirs. for whatever reason, the fights never took place. with mosley, many of you on here claim that he was at his finest at 135, so floyd wanted to fight him there, when in all honesty, if you look how shane fights, you have to realize that he is sloppy at times, he is stiff, even at 135, he had a lot of power and speed, but little to no finesse, and against floyd you have to know how to fight with finesse or he'll pick you apart, he is too good. now, at 147, after his big win over vargas, even though he was a little past his prime, he showed he still had something left, which is why floyd wanted to fight him when the de la hoya fight didn't go through, seeing how oscar ducked floyd also, pretty much his whole career, yes, even in his prime, what you people on here also fail to remember is that floyd was calling out oscar at 130 pounds when oscar was just entering 147 pounds, and openly called out shane mosley and oscar de la hoya after his fight with brusseles. now, who's ducking who. those were big money fights, and great fights in 2005, and floyd said he would even go to 147. so, he calls out wright, oscar, shane, kosta, and hatton, publicly, openly, yet, he handpicked his opponents?

you people's logic is all ****ed up. you explain to me how, a coward like floyd supposedely is, calls out p4p fighters in their or close to their primes openly in public, yet, they turn him down, for whatever reason(i mean, the guy was undefeated in his prime at 140 fighting like a killer, and brilliantly, which would have made for great fights), yet floyd handpicked his opponents? i mean, who is he suppose to fight? the big names didn't want him, especially shane and oscar who floyd called out more than any other names, and shane waits to the end of his career, just like floyd claimed, to call floyd out, when he knew he was past his prime, so floy ddidn't want to fight a guy like shan epast his prime, so he opted to take the fight he always wanted against oscar which became the biggest grossing ppv fight in history, and even though oscar was past his prime, although many of you claimed he would knock floyd out, just goes to show you people think too much with your heart and not enough with you ****ing brain, he beats oscar, then you guys claimed he lost and oscar was a part time fighter and past his prime. you guys claimed he would have beaten floyd in his prime(if that's true, why didn't he take the fight then dumb ****s?). so then, you guys claimed shane had the best chane to beat floyd, until shane lost to cotto, who bob arum didn't put in the ring against floyd when they were at 140, because he even claimed floyd would have chewed him up. now, hatton becomes the guy to beat floyd, only until he lost by knockout, and all of the excuses come to play, like floyd fought dirty, cortez screwed hatton, yada yada yada, hatton was knocked out, and then he becomes a bum instantly to you people. now, cotto is the man for the job, and since floyd is not instantly taking the fight, and bobby arummmmmm is looking at this as floyd being afraid of cotto(where did all of the confidence come from bob?), cotto is the new guy for the job, why? because all of the guys floyd decisioned, cotto knocked out? okay, so cotto knocks out corley, judah, and sosa, and beats the guy that floyd was supposedly afraid of in mosley, so now floyd is afraid of cotto, when in reality, floyd has always wanted big money fights, and now since he's fighting oscar again, he is really afraid of cotto, and so all of you idiots on here are riding with this, even though in the poll, floyd is considered the best welterweight out there, even though he has't fought a welterweight yet right? so, that means, if judah wasn't a ww, abd cotto's resume at ww is better than floyd's then you can scratch him off of both of their lists then. baldomir wasn't a ww right? i mean, he was the ww wbc champion when floyd foguth him seeing how oscar and shane didn't fighti floyd. so, floyd ducks tony who had little to no momentum and a record to match, calls out floyd, who was waiting for a fight with a huge star de la hoya, then mosley, did't get them, goes with baldomir, who just beat gatti by ko and judah before that, had a lot of momentum going for him, especially after not losing in 8 years(i don't care about the clottey fight, he still won), and tony has to fight paul williams loses, and then tony is nothing no more, just like shane was nothing no more after he lost to cotto, just like another supposed threat to floyd, actually the most feared ww after tony lost that title, paul williams lost to quitana, a guy who cotto demolished in 5 rounds, so looking at it this way, cotto is now the only man for floyd, and floyd doesn't want to fight cotto right? or, how about he is waiting to see if miggy can raise some numbers on ppv, because if this is the most anticipated fight of the decade like many of you claim it is, then let's wait to see cotto's name get bigger and then we will have a huge fight with him against floyd, who will beat him no doubt, then after cotto loses, who will be next, or is it too late? is floyd's supoosed padded record, despite being a 6 time champion in 5 weight classes in 10 years holding the most prestigous title, the wbc title, and remaining undefeated throughout all of this, even though you guys claim he lost to a castillo in his prime, which is neither here nor there anymore, the fight was damn near 6 years ago. so, what does floyd do after he beats cotto, which he will do, mark my words, cotto will lose against the pretty boy. will there always be someone for him until he loses like the other greats minus marciano? or will he never be accepted by people because of his personality AND ego? who know, but stay tuned folks. my point througout all of this was, think with your minds people, just as much as your hearts, all of this hate means nothing, whether from you or critics, or commentators, or manny steward means nothing when he still consdered the best p4p fighter in boxing and the champion of the ww division, the hate means nothing.

[moin126]

hatton would be punished even more vs a 140 pound mayweather, remember mayweather at 140 vs gatti, it would be even a worse pounding than we saw dec 8th, so saying hatton is at his best at 140 is bullcrap.

[MEXICAN BAD ASS]

hatton may be at his best at 140, but the place to be is 147, and hatton was offered a fight with floyd in 2005, when floyd was a killer, and hatton knew his ass was going to get kicked regardless, so he opted not to take the fight, claiming he wasn't ready. this is pretty much old news. kosta was offered a fight with floyd also, but opted not to take it, instead fighting hatton and losing, so floyd decided to get bug money fights, which is why he went with gatti, and he dominated him like no other, and fighting a guy like n'dou with 30 knockouts in 32 fights is not taking a risk? it sure is. floyd was usually smaller than his opponents at 140-147, even hatton, so that is risky enough even though skillwise, he is big foot compared them. now, as far as mosley, he turned down floyd twice, at 135 and 147 publicly, after coming off a huge win by knockout over vargas, but nobody seems to remember this. think about it folks. floyd is a smart mother ****er, he wanted winky wright, lascana, freites, and cassamayor, while they were looked at as a threat to him, when really, their styles were decent, but floyd's style was levels above theirs. for whatever reason, the fights never took place. with mosley, many of you on here claim that he was at his finest at 135, so floyd wanted to fight him there, when in all honesty, if you look how shane fights, you have to realize that he is sloppy at times, he is stiff, even at 135, he had a lot of power and speed, but little to no finesse, and against floyd you have to know how to fight with finesse or he'll pick you apart, he is too good. now, at 147, after his big win over vargas, even though he was a little past his prime, he showed he still had something left, which is why floyd wanted to fight him when the de la hoya fight didn't go through, seeing how oscar ducked floyd also, pretty much his whole career, yes, even in his prime, what you people on here also fail to remember is that floyd was calling out oscar at 130 pounds when oscar was just entering 147 pounds, and openly called out shane mosley and oscar de la hoya after his fight with brusseles. now, who's ducking who. those were big money fights, and great fights in 2005, and floyd said he would even go to 147. so, he calls out wright, oscar, shane, kosta, and hatton, publicly, openly, yet, he handpicked his opponents?

you people's logic is all ****ed up. you explain to me how, a coward like floyd supposedely is, calls out p4p fighters in their or close to their primes openly in public, yet, they turn him down, for whatever reason(i mean, the guy was undefeated in his prime at 140 fighting like a killer, and brilliantly, which would have made for great fights), yet floyd handpicked his opponents? i mean, who is he suppose to fight? the big names didn't want him, especially shane and oscar who floyd called out more than any other names, and shane waits to the end of his career, just like floyd claimed, to call floyd out, when he knew he was past his prime, so floy ddidn't want to fight a guy like shan epast his prime, so he opted to take the fight he always wanted against oscar which became the biggest grossing ppv fight in history, and even though oscar was past his prime, although many of you claimed he would knock floyd out, just goes to show you people think too much with your heart and not enough with you ****ing brain, he beats oscar, then you guys claimed he lost and oscar was a part time fighter and past his prime. you guys claimed he would have beaten floyd in his prime(if that's true, why didn't he take the fight then dumb ****s?). so then, you guys claimed shane had the best chane to beat floyd, until shane lost to cotto, who bob arum didn't put in the ring against floyd when they were at 140, because he even claimed floyd would have chewed him up. now, hatton becomes the guy to beat floyd, only until he lost by knockout, and all of the excuses come to play, like floyd fought dirty, cortez screwed hatton, yada yada yada, hatton was knocked out, and then he becomes a bum instantly to you people. now, cotto is the man for the job, and since floyd is not instantly taking the fight, and bobby arummmmmm is looking at this as floyd being afraid of cotto(where did all of the confidence come from bob?), cotto is the new guy for the job, why? because all of the guys floyd decisioned, cotto knocked out? okay, so cotto knocks out corley, judah, and sosa, and beats the guy that floyd was supposedly afraid of in mosley, so now floyd is afraid of cotto, when in reality, floyd has always wanted big money fights, and now since he's fighting oscar again, he is really afraid of cotto, and so all of you idiots on here are riding with this, even though in the poll, floyd is considered the best welterweight out there, even though he has't fought a welterweight yet right? so, that means, if judah wasn't a ww, abd cotto's resume at ww is better than floyd's then you can scratch him off of both of their lists then. baldomir wasn't a ww right? i mean, he was the ww wbc champion when floyd foguth him seeing how oscar and shane didn't fighti floyd. so, floyd ducks tony who had little to no momentum and a record to match, calls out floyd, who was waiting for a fight with a huge star de la hoya, then mosley, did't get them, goes with baldomir, who just beat gatti by ko and judah before that, had a lot of momentum going for him, especially after not losing in 8 years(i don't care about the clottey fight, he still won), and tony has to fight paul williams loses, and then tony is nothing no more, just like shane was nothing no more after he lost to cotto, just like another supposed threat to floyd, actually the most feared ww after tony lost that title, paul williams lost to quitana, a guy who cotto demolished in 5 rounds, so looking at it this way, cotto is now the only man for floyd, and floyd doesn't want to fight cotto right? or, how about he is waiting to see if miggy can raise some numbers on ppv, because if this is the most anticipated fight of the decade like many of you claim it is, then let's wait to see cotto's name get bigger and then we will have a huge fight with him against floyd, who will beat him no doubt, then after cotto loses, who will be next, or is it too late? is floyd's supoosed padded record, despite being a 6 time champion in 5 weight classes in 10 years holding the most prestigous title, the wbc title, and remaining undefeated throughout all of this, even though you guys claim he lost to a castillo in his prime, which is neither here nor there anymore, the fight was damn near 6 years ago. so, what does floyd do after he beats cotto, which he will do, mark my words, cotto will lose against the pretty boy. will there always be someone for him until he loses like the other greats minus marciano? or will he never be accepted by people because of his personality AND ego? who know, but stay tuned folks. my point througout all of this was, think with your minds people, just as much as your hearts, all of this hate means nothing, whether from you or critics, or commentators, or manny steward means nothing when he still consdered the best p4p fighter in boxing and the champion of the ww division, the hate means nothing.

supposedly floyd mayweather is a draw so why would fighters turn him down?? that makes no sense. the fact is mayweather has only called out fighters who are washed up smaller than him or he knew they were easy wins. its plain and basic common sense really.

[rj_ct]

he has been handpicking opponents since the day castillo beat him.

here is the pathetic list of opponents:

victoriano sosa: who??
phillip ndou: who??
chop chop corley: everyone beats this bum
henry bruseles: who??
arturo gatti: overrated bum
sharmba mitchell: washed up and dont belong at welterweight
zab judah: lossed to baldomir and lost every big fight of his career
carlos baldomir: no explanation needed
oscar de la hoya: washed up and hasnt won a significant fight in 6 years
ricky hatton: has no business at 147 and he is overrated

awesome thread. i don't i've ever seen such a thread posted in this forum. very insightful. a+ would read again.

[JoartCC]

hatton may be at his best at 140, but the place to be is 147, and hatton was offered a fight with floyd in 2005, when floyd was a killer, and hatton knew his ass was going to get kicked regardless, so he opted not to take the fight, claiming he wasn't ready. this is pretty much old news. kosta was offered a fight with floyd also, but opted not to take it, instead fighting hatton and losing, so floyd decided to get bug money fights, which is why he went with gatti, and he dominated him like no other, and fighting a guy like n'dou with 30 knockouts in 32 fights is not taking a risk? it sure is. floyd was usually smaller than his opponents at 140-147, even hatton, so that is risky enough even though skillwise, he is big foot compared them. now, as far as mosley, he turned down floyd twice, at 135 and 147 publicly, after coming off a huge win by knockout over vargas, but nobody seems to remember this. think about it folks. floyd is a smart mother ****er, he wanted winky wright, lascana, freites, and cassamayor, while they were looked at as a threat to him, when really, their styles were decent, but floyd's style was levels above theirs. for whatever reason, the fights never took place. with mosley, many of you on here claim that he was at his finest at 135, so floyd wanted to fight him there, when in all honesty, if you look how shane fights, you have to realize that he is sloppy at times, he is stiff, even at 135, he had a lot of power and speed, but little to no finesse, and against floyd you have to know how to fight with finesse or he'll pick you apart, he is too good. now, at 147, after his big win over vargas, even though he was a little past his prime, he showed he still had something left, which is why floyd wanted to fight him when the de la hoya fight didn't go through, seeing how oscar ducked floyd also, pretty much his whole career, yes, even in his prime, what you people on here also fail to remember is that floyd was calling out oscar at 130 pounds when oscar was just entering 147 pounds, and openly called out shane mosley and oscar de la hoya after his fight with brusseles. now, who's ducking who. those were big money fights, and great fights in 2005, and floyd said he would even go to 147. so, he calls out wright, oscar, shane, kosta, and hatton, publicly, openly, yet, he handpicked his opponents?

you people's logic is all ****ed up. you explain to me how, a coward like floyd supposedely is, calls out p4p fighters in their or close to their primes openly in public, yet, they turn him down, for whatever reason(i mean, the guy was undefeated in his prime at 140 fighting like a killer, and brilliantly, which would have made for great fights), yet floyd handpicked his opponents? i mean, who is he suppose to fight? the big names didn't want him, especially shane and oscar who floyd called out more than any other names, and shane waits to the end of his career, just like floyd claimed, to call floyd out, when he knew he was past his prime, so floy ddidn't want to fight a guy like shan epast his prime, so he opted to take the fight he always wanted against oscar which became the biggest grossing ppv fight in history, and even though oscar was past his prime, although many of you claimed he would knock floyd out, just goes to show you people think too much with your heart and not enough with you ****ing brain, he beats oscar, then you guys claimed he lost and oscar was a part time fighter and past his prime. you guys claimed he would have beaten floyd in his prime(if that's true, why didn't he take the fight then dumb ****s?). so then, you guys claimed shane had the best chane to beat floyd, until shane lost to cotto, who bob arum didn't put in the ring against floyd when they were at 140, because he even claimed floyd would have chewed him up. now, hatton becomes the guy to beat floyd, only until he lost by knockout, and all of the excuses come to play, like floyd fought dirty, cortez screwed hatton, yada yada yada, hatton was knocked out, and then he becomes a bum instantly to you people. now, cotto is the man for the job, and since floyd is not instantly taking the fight, and bobby arummmmmm is looking at this as floyd being afraid of cotto(where did all of the confidence come from bob?), cotto is the new guy for the job, why? because all of the guys floyd decisioned, cotto knocked out? okay, so cotto knocks out corley, judah, and sosa, and beats the guy that floyd was supposedly afraid of in mosley, so now floyd is afraid of cotto, when in reality, floyd has always wanted big money fights, and now since he's fighting oscar again, he is really afraid of cotto, and so all of you idiots on here are riding with this, even though in the poll, floyd is considered the best welterweight out there, even though he has't fought a welterweight yet right? so, that means, if judah wasn't a ww, abd cotto's resume at ww is better than floyd's then you can scratch him off of both of their lists then. baldomir wasn't a ww right? i mean, he was the ww wbc champion when floyd foguth him seeing how oscar and shane didn't fighti floyd. so, floyd ducks tony who had little to no momentum and a record to match, calls out floyd, who was waiting for a fight with a huge star de la hoya, then mosley, did't get them, goes with baldomir, who just beat gatti by ko and judah before that, had a lot of momentum going for him, especially after not losing in 8 years(i don't care about the clottey fight, he still won), and tony has to fight paul williams loses, and then tony is nothing no more, just like shane was nothing no more after he lost to cotto, just like another supposed threat to floyd, actually the most feared ww after tony lost that title, paul williams lost to quitana, a guy who cotto demolished in 5 rounds, so looking at it this way, cotto is now the only man for floyd, and floyd doesn't want to fight cotto right? or, how about he is waiting to see if miggy can raise some numbers on ppv, because if this is the most anticipated fight of the decade like many of you claim it is, then let's wait to see cotto's name get bigger and then we will have a huge fight with him against floyd, who will beat him no doubt, then after cotto loses, who will be next, or is it too late? is floyd's supoosed padded record, despite being a 6 time champion in 5 weight classes in 10 years holding the most prestigous title, the wbc title, and remaining undefeated throughout all of this, even though you guys claim he lost to a castillo in his prime, which is neither here nor there anymore, the fight was damn near 6 years ago. so, what does floyd do after he beats cotto, which he will do, mark my words, cotto will lose against the pretty boy. will there always be someone for him until he loses like the other greats minus marciano? or will he never be accepted by people because of his personality AND ego? who know, but stay tuned folks. my point througout all of this was, think with your minds people, just as much as your hearts, all of this hate means nothing, whether from you or critics, or commentators, or manny steward means nothing when he still consdered the best p4p fighter in boxing and the champion of the ww division, the hate means nothing.

Nothing but excuses.

Facts stand.

He ducked all of them.