"Unbeatable" is a Crock of ****

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i dont think Floyd Mayweather is beatable. I know he has the ability to take any challenge and overcome it. but i know that when the day comes when he is faced with his biggest test, the fight will be ultra boring.

[Jim Jeffries]

I never said I think Floyd would beat him. Just that he might have fought him at 135. Even if he did lose it, it could be a good fight and thus making Floyd a more respected fighter.

I think Mosley would beat Floyd at 135.

Gotcha. Yeah I agree, it would have helped Floyd's legacy reguardless of the outcome, unless he was knocked out badly which I don't see happening.

I think if Floyd had fought Shane during the small window that they were 5 lbs apart, he would have lost as well, but it would have been a great fight. I just think Floyd was too green at the time.

Yes I do think his best was pre 70 Gav he lost speed and athleticism when he came back his chin and durability was still there pre 70 he was just that good they were not tested , age is not the only parameter to do with when a fighter looses something .

Mayweather is declaring himself the greatest of his era so whats the difference , it wont be to later that the haters realize it , what are you saying he must get beat and revenge the loss to prove it , rubbish !

I disagree, Ali made too many mistakes when he was younger, which led him to almost getting knocked out by a small clubfighter in Cooper. He always went straight back, which is why Frazier was able to drop him. He looked the most impressive in 66-67, but then his competition wasn't the greatest then and people generally look better against such.

[RodBarker]

Gotcha. Yeah I agree, it would have helped Floyd's legacy reguardless of the outcome, unless he was knocked out badly which I don't see happening.

I think if Floyd had fought Shane during the small window that they were 5 lbs apart, he would have lost as well, but it would have been a great fight. I just think Floyd was too green at the time.



I disagree, Ali made too many mistakes when he was younger, which led him to almost getting knocked out by a small clubfighter in Cooper. He always went straight back, which is why Frazier was able to drop him. He looked the most impressive in 66-67, but then his competition wasn't the greatest then and people generally look better against such.

Agree to disagree Gav as I think we both have a fair argument , he was the greatest regardless .

PS , Ali didnt even hardly train for Cooper so a few books say so that dont mean anything ,,,, often fighters have trouble with nobodys only because they dont get up for them , Frazier would not have touched Ali in those early days IMHO .

[Jim Jeffries]

Agree to disagree Gav as I think we both have a fair argument , he was the greatest regardless .

PS , Ali didnt even hardly train for Cooper so a few books say so that dont mean anything ,,,, often fighters have trouble with nobodys only because they dont get up for them , Frazier would not have touched Ali in those early days IMHO .

Sounds good. He did look pretty darn impressive and unbeatable against Cleveland Williams in 66 or 67, I forget.

Hard to say, some fighters peak late like Lennox Lewis, in their mid thirties, some are finished at 28. Some, like Tyson, appear declining at 23, so who knows what his true prime was.

Foreman was a pretty damn impressive win for him at 32, but he definitely would have fought a different fight against him 6 or 7 years earlier and might no be quite as bad as he is today (I don't think the disease would have progressed as far.)

Either way, we definitely missed out on 3 and a half years or so of prime Ali, which is a shame.

[frankpaganini]

I think people overestimate the 0 in the loss column, it only means that the fighter never met his true nemesis and never had to comeback from a loss.

You can have all the cool moves, power and speed in the world, but that would only make you a skilled and talented fighter but not a great. Coming back from a loss and being better then before is what separates men from boys.

i agree 100%.

There is a boxer out there who can beat the "unbeatable fighters" like, a prime Roy jones jr...a current floyd mayweather jr. a prime Rocky Marciano of the past...

Sometimes they are fighters we would NEVER expect to have a chance against those guys but if they are/were given the chance they would have won.

Some "unbeatable fighters" have won on gift descisions; lucky knockouts/etc.

All undeafted fighters can be defeated.

Maybe the guy that beats floyd mayweather jr is someone you would never expect like a Andre Berto or a luis callazo or even an Alfonso gomez.

you just dont know...

but to say fighters are SO elite that they simply cannot be beaten take a look at the pats in the NFL this last year...all that talk of being the "Perfect" team to go 19-0 in one season and be the best the NFL has seen and on and on...what happened? a team many thought would get run over by the pats beat them...in the superbowl...

unbeaten doesnt mean unbeatable. plain and simple.

[tito yuca]

So you think Ali was way past his prime when he fought Frazier less than 2 months after his 29th birthday?

So? He had just come back after a FOUR YEAR hiatus.

Fernando Vargas is 29, is he still in his prime?

[ExecutiveOutlaw]

somebody made a poll on who could beat cotto. like 3 people said he was unbeatable

if thats not indisputable evidence of blatant ****riding i dont know what is

[Jim Jeffries]

So? He had just come back after a FOUR YEAR hiatus.

Fernando Vargas is 29, is he still in his prime?

No need to exxagerate, it was closer to 3 years. Anyway, do you really think that Ali, pre hiatus really took 1/10 th of the punishment that Vargas has taken? Do you honestly think Foreman would have been able to win a title at 45 if he hadn't take 10 years off?

For every fighter like Vargas or Morales that are finished at 29, I can show you one like Hopkins or Lewis that haven't reached it yet.

Ali fought (and beat) his best competition in his thirties, so who's to say that that wasn't his prime?

[tito yuca]

Ali fought (and beat) his best competition in his thirties, so who's to say that that wasn't his prime?

ANYONE, because it's clear that his agility and reflexes were not the same. His handspeed decreased and he got hit a lot more.

[Jim Jeffries]

ANYONE, because it's clear that his agility and reflexes were not the same. His handspeed decreased and he got hit a lot more.

Obviously Lennox Lewis was more agile and had better reflexes in his early twenties than he did in his early and mid thirties. However, his technique improved, and I think you can say the same for Ali.