Boxing emphasised too much on a loss

[tyson]

When that fighter had lost 3 (arguably 4) of his last five fights, and was about 9 years from their peak at #1 p4p, it's not a huge risk compared to by far the biggest payday that person is recieving.

It wasn't so much of a risk any which way you look at it.
If he lost, he would have been supposed to lose against the bigger man, so his career and legacy wouldn't really have been affected.

[The Hammer]

It keeps the best from fighting the best since they won't take the risk if they can lose.

That's a good point.

I agree with the threadstarter. I think we in North America all make too much of a loss on a boxer's record, and it's hurting boxing.

In the past it wasn't that way - almost everybody had losses on their records because the best usually fought the best. Louis lost a fight, then went on to win the title. Robinson lost a few, and went on to become an ATG. Charles, Moore and all those guys lost a few fights.

[2501]

lets see how this "1" affects Diaz's career.

[Jim Jeffries]

lets see how this "1" affects Diaz's career.

If he is going to continue to fight, I think I would have rather seen his quit after about 7 or 8 rounds instead of enduring that punishment he took. His left eye was completely, completely shut and he might have sustained retinae damage. He had a big lump on his forehead, much more punishment than I've ever seen him take.

Probably is about time for him to make a decision about boxing or school. Too hard to do both on a world class level.

[Scott9945]

lets see how this "1" affects Diaz's career.

He'll be ok if he can deal with it psychologically. He seemed to handle it pretty well afterwards and he was in a position where he could have easily quit (or had his corner throw in the towel so he could save face).

Like you were saying at the top of the thread, it is amazing how fast someone can go from being labeled a P4P top 20 guy to "totally exposed" in boxing. First Paul Williams, now Juan Diaz. People need to remember that they were never really that great, but they're still pretty damn good.

[Bhopreign]

its ridiculous how some fighters get pushed aside after losing a fight.

You should blame so-called boxing fans, its because of the fans that the loss is emphasized so much. When that fighter loses, he becomes less marketable for big money fights and fight cards as well as promoters sometimes think it would be a risk to invest big money on the fighter thinking they wont get a return on the back end, because of less interest from the fans who buy the tickets and ppv.

[Allucard]

It's something that hurts the sport. It should be about putting on good shows, not about protecting fighters. If two fighters put on a very good fight both of them 'win' anyway. The losing guy will want to be seen again.

This was a point Gary Shaw made one time. I know he's not the most popular guy in the world, but he had a point.

I agree but in this case you would have the HW champion Wladimir Klitschko not able to get a fight after his last performance which btw suits him right, that was an horrible bout.

[Jim Jeffries]

He'll be ok if he can deal with it psychologically. He seemed to handle it pretty well afterwards and he was in a position where he could have easily quit (or had his corner throw in the towel so he could save face).

Like you were saying at the top of the thread, it is amazing how fast someone can go from being labeled a P4P top 20 guy to "totally exposed" in boxing. First Paul Williams, now Juan Diaz. People need to remember that they were never really that great, but they're still pretty damn good.

Hatton was the main one that people were trying to claim was "exposed."

I think all three still have the ability to suprise us all.

[2501]

You should blame so-called boxing fans, its because of the fans that the loss is emphasized so much. When that fighter loses, he becomes less marketable for big money fights and fight cards as well as promoters sometimes think it would be a risk to invest big money on the fighter thinking they wont get a return on the back end, because of less interest from the fans who buy the tickets and ppv.

that really has to do more with HOW a fight, fighter and boxing is promoted. MMA has the flimsiest, most uneducated fans, yet their most famous fighters usually have more than 3 loses on their records. they market their fighters as EXCITING products rather than undefeated phenoms. of course though, there has to be a balance between "exciting" and "good". we just cant have arturo gatti type fighters being the face of the sport because boxing is just more than that, but i think it would do the sport well if promoters emphasized more on quality.

[Ray*]

The best thing is Juan Diaz is still young, He has the time to deal with this mentally..This isnt the end for him.