Why i think based on style Cotto will beat Floyd

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  • wmute
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    #41
    Originally posted by Terrible...
    why i think based on style Cotto will beat Floyd

    Cotto is much different to Hatton

    Hatton does'nt jab ,he Fights with his face & relies on feints & Head movement to get inside & he is way to impatient when he is trying to work his way in ,and he keeps his hands somewhere by his chest ,he exclusively throws Hooks & hardly any straight shots what so ever ,smouthers himself on the inside aswsell

    Cotto has a good jab ,he is very patient at working his way inside ,does'nt need to rely on the referee to allow him to push his oponent into the ropes so he can land his body shots like Hatton ,he is capable of mixing in Body shots off his combintations ,he keeps his chin tucked in & his hands high ,he is very good at cutting down the ring & he is relentless ,he does throw straight shots down the middle unlike Hatton & if FLoyd is vulnerable to any shots it is the right hand down the middle Castillo caught him with it quite a few times in both fights ,Hatton needed the jab Dela Hoya used to keep Mayweather where he wanted him & the Right hands down the pipe that Castillo hit Floyd with & he needed to be able to cut the ring down like Cotto does ,as it was he did'nt have a jab or any straight shots & he followed PBF around the ring & got caught walking in a straight line being impatient to get inside again as i pointed out

    Cotto has all those qualities i mentioned ,allthough i think Cotto has a tough fight coming up with Gomez u may laugh but ill bet Gomez turns out to be a tough nut to crack for Cotto
    Your points are well taken, but I think you pointed out ONLY the qualities in Cotto which give him a chance, but you completely overlooked the things which will put him at a disadvantage. That is not a breakdown

    You compare him to Hatton, but forgot to mention how he throws less punches than Hatton, how is slower than Hatton, and how he is chinnier than Hatton. He is more orthodox than Hatton, that won't help.

    He also takes time off during the fight, which is really bad against Floyd.

    You mention his jab, but dont even compare it to Oscar's. Oscar is faster, taller and has more reach.

    I would add on Cotto's favor his being able to delivery a two-handed offense, more than Hatton or Oscar.

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    • Dynamite Kid
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      #42
      Originally posted by wmute
      Your points are well taken, but I think you pointed out ONLY the qualities in Cotto which give him a chance, but you completely overlooked the things which will put him at a disadvantage. That is not a breakdown

      You compare him to Hatton, but forgot to mention how he throws less punches than Hatton, how is slower than Hatton, and how he is chinnier than Hatton. He is more orthodox than Hatton, that won't help.

      He also takes time off during the fight, which is really bad against Floyd.

      You mention his jab, but dont even compare it to Oscar's. Oscar is faster, taller and has more reach.

      I would add on Cotto's favor his being able to delivery a two-handed offense, more than Hatton or Oscar.
      chinnier than Hatton that is debatable Hatton has been hurt against Collzao ,PBF ,Cotto has been hurt aswell yes

      but the point is Hatton has been hurt at 147 & Cotto was hurt from boiling down to 140 he has not been hurt once since he moved upto 147 IMO

      Cotto jab probably aint as good as Oscar but it is comparable & it is very sharp ,u cant say Cotto does'nt have a good jab ,did u see the speed in which Cotto was throwing it at Mosley i would nt say Oscars jab is all that much quicker than Cottos really

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      • wmute
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        #43
        Originally posted by Terrible...
        chinnier than Hatton that is debatable Hatton has been hurt against Collzao ,PBF ,Cotto has been hurt aswell yes

        but the point is Hatton has been hurt at 147 & Cotto was hurt from boiling down to 140 he has not been hurt once since he moved upto 147 IMO

        Cotto jab probably aint as good as Oscar but it is comparable & it is very sharp ,u cant say Cotto does'nt have a good jab ,did u see the speed in which Cotto was throwing it at Mosley i would nt say Oscars jab is all that much quicker than Cottos really
        I agree that Cotto's chin was worse at 140, that doesnt make him that great at 140.

        The times Mayweather was hurt did not look NEARLY as bad as the times Cotto was hurt. Come on... Corley hurting Mayweather was mainly Mayweather covering up. Corley hitting Cotto, Cotto was holding on for life.

        I second that Cotto has a good jab, never contradiced you on that, but Oscar has a different category of jab IMO, which is a very natural thing considering that Oscar being rangy made his jab a prevalent weapon in his arsenal. Oscar jab is (was?) faster, longer, and because of hte ****er training with Maywaether sr. he throws it from two different angles (waist and high-guard). I dont disagree at all with Cotto's jab being important in this fight (Castillo...) but I disagree with the comparison with Oscar's jab.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Terrell Owens
          DA **** ARE YOU STEREOTYPING YOU ****ING ****** *****?

          NI99A IMMA GET YO ASS BANNED DONT EVER ****ING STEREOTYPE ME YOU MORON

          ****in punk
          ban me when i didnt make a single racist remark? you then call me a ****** and use the n word? are you serious? im sorry if i offended you but you need to educate yourself.

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            #45
            Originally posted by wmute
            I agree that Cotto's chin was worse at 140, that doesnt make him that great at 140.

            The times Mayweather was hurt did not look NEARLY as bad as the times Cotto was hurt. Come on... Corley hurting Mayweather was mainly Mayweather covering up. Corley hitting Cotto, Cotto was holding on for life.

            I second that Cotto has a good jab, never contradiced you on that, but Oscar has a different category of jab IMO, which is a very natural thing considering that Oscar being rangy made his jab a prevalent weapon in his arsenal. Oscar jab is (was?) faster, longer, and because of hte ****er training with Maywaether sr. he throws it from two different angles (waist and high-guard). I dont disagree at all with Cotto's jab being important in this fight (Castillo...) but I disagree with the comparison with Oscar's jab.

            Cotto was hurt against Torres but he was'nt badly hurt IMO he was buzzed but he was'nt out on his feet at any point it is overstated how badly hurt Cotto was in that fight

            ive have seen clips of Cotto getting hurt against Corley but i aint seen the full fight ,but from what ive seen the part where he get tagged by the ropes he looked hurt quite badly against Corley i agreee

            but if u notice both those fights were right before Cotto moved upto 147 ,so i would be inclined to believe his weight making issues had a big part to play in why he was hurt in both fights ,i aint saying his chin is granit but it is good enough at 147 to stand upto Floyds punches ,i know that is a dangerous thing to say [Hatton] LOL

            u will notice Cotto tucks his chin in a lot more these days awell since the Torres fight he does'nt take to many flush shots on the jaw that way

            i agree Oscar has a great jab & i would agree its better than Cottos but Cotto is comparable IMO

            i dont think Cotto getting stopped is a huge issue in this fight in anycase

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              #46
              Originally posted by Terrible...
              Cotto was hurt against Torres but he was'nt badly hurt IMO he was buzzed but he was'nt out on his feet at any point it is overstated how badly hurt Cotto was in that fight

              ive have seen clips of Cotto getting hurt against Corley but i aint seen the full fight ,but from what ive seen the part where he get tagged by the ropes he looked hurt quite badly against Corley i agreee

              but if u notice both those fights were right before Cotto moved upto 147 ,so i would be inclined to believe his weight making issues had a big part to play in why he was hurt in both fights ,i aint saying his chin is granit but it is good enough at 147 to stand upto Floyds punches ,i know that is a dangerous thing to say [Hatton] LOL

              u will notice Cotto tucks his chin in a lot more these days awell since the Torres fight he does'nt take to many flush shots on the jaw that way

              i agree Oscar has a great jab & i would agree its better than Cottos but Cotto is comparable IMO

              i dont think Cotto getting stopped is a huge issue in this fight in anycase
              The rest of the Corley fight is Cotto big time!

              Weighin in at 140 was the major reason for Cotto being chinny, but the fact that Corrales, Hearns... got better moving up in weight did not make them very good chins either. I guess we will see.

              Cotto should not get stopped in this fight, maybe he will turn down his output and go in survival mode. When Mayweather fights a high caliber of opposition, it takes two to get a stoppage. What I mean is without one punch knockout power a stoppage has to come by accumulation of punches, and it takes the other fighter to go for broke basically (Hatton, Chavez...). Cotto is good enough of a boxer to try to win rounds by other means than pressure if he sees he gets hurt (Oscar, Zab...). So I think that if things turn bad for Cotto, Cotto is just going to lose rounds.

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              • tredh
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                #47
                Originally posted by Terrible...
                well apparently Cotto was'nt supposed to be able to beat Mosley in using any tactic Fighting or Boxing & he did both ,he was supposed to get KTFO in 4/5 rounds that did'nt happen ,****in everybody on NSB said Mosley would KO him now they are Cotto fans ,fickle or what LOL

                Castillo is nowhere near as good as Cotto IMO and he decisioned Mayeather allthough he did'nt get the verdict ,so its not out of realms of possibility that Cotto could'nt decision him aswell ,i take the point about the rematch but the fact is that fight still happened & in a lot of peoples eyes Castillo still won
                Actually I picked Cotto to win and the reason being was Mosley was too old and lost too much and some other stuff that I can't remember but feel free to look it up if choose to do so.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Terrell Owens
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                  I think you need to lend some tissues to ya man TO before talking about boxing...crumbs



                  But anycase...

                  If anybody can beat Floyd it's Cotto.

                  A true WW with power in both hands and a hell of a jab = problems for Floyd.

                  But I agree Cotto has to go for the kill when the Opp strikes.
                  Last edited by RL_GMA; 03-04-2008, 12:35 PM.

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                    #49
                    The scary thing about this fight for Cotto fans is the fact that Cotto relies a lot on timing and proper distance. Too bad Floyd just happens to have the best timing in the sport, along with the best awareness of distance. Floyd is always at the point where he knows he can land, and his opponent cant.

                    Originally posted by Terrible...
                    ive always been told that when your oponent moves to the right u are supposed to throw the right hand or anything right handed for that matter ,cause his momentum is taking him onto the punch if u land & if u miss u are'nt in such a vulnerable postition ,where as if u throw a left hook when your oponent is moving to the right you are in a much more vulnerable place to get countered IE Ricky Hatton & the chek left hook
                    Round four of the Quintana fight. Carlos tried to move to his right, Cotto put his left foot outside Carlos' right to corner him, then Quintana tried to move left, and Cotto landed a perfect sweeping right to the body that hurt him, pretty much changing the whole fight.

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                    • deevel79
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                      #50
                      Lets just hope that after fighting Bigshow, and rematching Fishnets, Floyd mans up and makes the fight. Arum and Cotto already went on record to say they want the fight. The ball is in Floyd's court now.

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