How would wlad do against the Bad Ass Fighters

[BrooklynBomber]

so what tyson beat tall guys and in his prime didnt come straight forward, mentaly wlad would be in big trouble if your not willing to open up against sultan he would frezze against these guys, i agree that wlad might even have the skills to beat them but he just doesnt have the mental side of the game to beat these guys.
i have been reading the dempsey auto bio and its amazing how many of the smaller guys were knocking out these big 6ft4-6ft6 guys.

Because Tyson never fought anyone like Wlad in his prime. The only one who was close stylewise was Buster Douglas.


And how do you know what's happening in Wlad's head?

I think you are just making up an excuse to hate on Wlad.

I mean take Fat Jammoc for example, he never fought a lefty in his professional career and avoided Byrd as well, now that is coward, huh?

[BrooklynBomber]

they are secretly communist i don't trust any of them.

So, how is BNP doing lately?

Have you finally got rid of these pesky indians on your block?

[Benny Leonard]

I like Wlad, but I wish he was more, but having weaknesses is what makes us human and all fighters/humans have negatives.

I actually somewhat agree the way he is fighting because of his weaknesses. I too would like to have seen him throw the right hand more and a good uppercut once in a while, but when he throws to much, he gasses quickly. He also has to be concerned when he punches, it leaves himself open for a counter attack. Right now, I still feel none of the fighters are that great and he could get away with it. It wouldn't work against some of the fighters from the 80's/90's, but right now, he can do it. It would help the sport if he was a bit more active.



Wlad has some problems: Stamina, which is why I suspect he dropped back down to 238 (on the advice of Manny). He is very tall and by his own words, he will lose balance trying to hit smaller fighters so he is very careful to make sure which punches he throws. Someone as tall as Wlad, with his long reach, if he misses, leaves him wide open for a counter from a smaller fighter, which can be deadly given his chin, long neck, and poor head-movement. He does however have decent movement which has been good enough on most occasions, although it helps who he is fighting since they really aren’t that athletic.

Even this last fight, at 238, and I’ve noticed this watching his old fights when he was around that weight, he always had trouble with stamina…but what do you expect from a 6’6 (6’5 by his words on Conan), 230+ pound man.

[Benny Leonard]

Because Tyson never fought anyone like Wlad in his prime. The only one who was close stylewise was Buster Douglas.


And how do you know what's happening in Wlad's head?

I think you are just making up an excuse to hate on Wlad.

I mean take Fat Jammoc for example, he never fought a lefty in his professional career and avoided Byrd as well, now that is coward, huh?

You just showed your ignorance and you should stop. If a fighter doesn't train properly, that's what happens. It's a bad example unless you use that version of Tyson to show students what happens when your life is out of control outside the ring: it carries over inside.

I guess when you look at history you just look at numbers/stats instead of looking at the complete story/reason(s). For example: when Napoleon lost at Waterloo, why did he lose? You should take note of his mental/physical health, as well as the weather conditions, who he was up against, his army at the time, etc.

I find Tyson can be overrated by many, but I'll back him when ignorance steps in as well.


Wlad gassed out against Purrity. Was taken out by Sanders, as well as Brewster. I could look at just the "Loss by KO" on his resume, but I will want to know why he lost...what was the cause.

[duffgun]

I like Wlad, but I wish he was more, but having weaknesses is what makes us human and all fighters/humans have negatives.

I actually somewhat agree the way he is fighting because of his weaknesses. I too would like to have seen him throw the right hand more and a good uppercut once in a while, but when he throws to much, he gasses quickly. He also has to be concerned when he punches, it leaves himself open for a counter attack. Right now, I still feel none of the fighters are that great and he could get away with it. It wouldn't work against some of the fighters from the 80's/90's, but right now, he can do it. It would help the sport if he was a bit more active.



Wlad has some problems: Stamina, which is why I suspect he dropped back down to 238 (on the advice of Manny). He is very tall and by his own words, he will lose balance trying to hit smaller fighters so he is very careful to make sure which punches he throws. Someone as tall as Wlad, with his long reach, if he misses, leaves him wide open for a counter from a smaller fighter, which can be deadly given his chin, long neck, and poor head-movement. He does however have decent movement which has been good enough on most occasions, although it helps who he is fighting since they really aren’t that athletic.

Even this last fight, at 238, and I’ve noticed this watching his old fights when he was around that weight, he always had trouble with stamina…but what do you expect from a 6’6 (6’5 by his words on Conan), 230+ pound man.

Yeah i agree the way he fights at the moment works best for him but against a great small guy like Tyson and Dempsey i think he would have trouble, and guys like Foreman Liston and Ibeabuchi would make Wlad very nervous.

[BrooklynBomber]

You just showed your ignorance and you should stop. If a fighter doesn't train properly, that's what happens. It's a bad example unless you use that version of Tyson to show students what happens when your life is out of control outside the ring: it carries over inside.

I guess when you look at history you just look at numbers/stats instead of looking at the complete story/reason(s). For example: when Napoleon lost at Waterloo, why did he lose? You should take note of his mental/physical health, as well as the weather conditions, who he was up against, his army at the time, etc.

I find Tyson can be overrated by many, but I'll back him when ignorance steps in as well.

What exactly you did not like in my argument?

[TheGreatA]

Wladimir's best chance might be against Ike Ibeabuchi who was never tested at the highest level.

Ike bombed out Byrd even faster than Wladimir and took flush shots from Tua in a great action-packed fight but we never saw him against a tall, powerful, athletic and skilled boxer like Wladimir or Lennox Lewis for example.
Ike had an iron chin and enough stamina to throw 1000 punches but we didn't see enough of him to truly decide who he could beat and who he couldn't beat IMO.

Tyson is trouble for Wladimir because Tyson would come right at him and he also knew how to do so.
Tyson knew how to avoid the jab and the straight right with head movement and counter with hooks, another good thing for Tyson in this match-up is that he doesn't have to worry about Wladimir uppercutting his head off because Wladimir doesn't seem to use the uppercut much.

Wladimir does have a chance at controlling the fight with his jabs and right hands but in his prime Tyson knew how to deal with that.
Tyson outjabbed the 6'5 Tony Tucker and kept his composure for 12 rounds but Tucker was not as good as Wladimir. Perhaps tougher though.

Liston had a great jab, a powerful left hook and a lenghty reach (longer than Wladimir's) that could confuse Wladimir like Sanders did. Wladimir has never had to deal with a reachy jabber like Liston and has never quite faced the kind of power either. Liston had the biggest fists of all heavyweights until Valuev came along.

Liston could try to match Wladimir's jab, though it would not be a wise idea to jab with Wladimir so I see Liston coming inside and blasting away with both hands.
What happens then is all up to Wladimir, does he fold or does he keep his composure is the question.

Foreman was tall, had a powerful jab and he came to KO you the moment the bell rang.
Foreman would try to cut off the ring right away and push Wlad around but I think Klitschko does have enough strenght to neutralize those bullying tactics if he keeps it together.

But Wladimir could be simply overwhelmed by the power of Foreman, Big George had a great chin and destructive power in both fists and in every punch he threw.
Foreman did have weaknesses that Wladimir could exploit but can he stand to the kind of pressure Foreman could bring? Perhaps we will get some answers as Wladimir's career goes on.

[duffgun]

I was joking about wlad ****ting him self, i just think that although wlad is a good stand up boxer he doesn't have the mental toughness to deal with these fighters.

[Scott9945]

Tyson, Liston, Foreman, Ibeabuchi. These guys were scary would wlad **** his pants on the way to the ring or could he stand up for a few rounds before collapsing from a panic attack.

Ibeabuchi doesn't deserve to be mentioned with those other names. He beat just two rated fighters in his career, and neither of them resembled Klitschko in the least. Like many fighters whose careers were halted in their primes, he has become very overrated. The other names are definitely interesting propositions, and you can make a case for Wladimir both beating and being KO'd by any of them.

[Benny Leonard]

What exactly you did not like in my argument?

Outside: Tyson's life was going to **** way before Douglas. He was already losing it even with Rooney but kept it together enough to continue to progress. The Post-Spinks interview should tell you his mental state: he said he was considering "retiring" because he was fed up. Soon after, he left Rooney and his training went to ****. His own trainer said he basically stopped running and putting in the rounds in sparring.

Many athletes will tell you that there careers went down hill because of the "outside" distractions, pointing to the lady at home. When she is bitchy, your world goes to ****. This is also why I liked Sampras and Lewis; they waited until very late in their careers to consider the "wife/kids" issue.

Tyson was untrained, mentally and physically for the Douglas fight. His own team said they had to push him just to get on the plane to Japan. Many reporters also noticed Tyson's attitude when there as being miserable.

Tyson isn't the only one of course...we've seen this with many others.

People like to bring up Ali as well and how he looked later in his career, but many fail to point out how the 3+ year layoff hurt him. Same as Louis and many others, like Benny Leonard.


One of the things I like about Wlad is that he stays in shape all year round and doesn’t seem to let outside distractions get to him, except for the rumored over-confidence going into the Sanders fight, which he said he learned from.