Where do you place Castillo compared to other Mexicans since 1990?

[Left2body]

Well if we start ranking it post Chavez then I would have Castillo kinda low not because he wasn't top shelf but because there were so many others. Morales, Barrera, Vazquez, R. Marquez possibly JM Marquez.......there are others on the edge of national greatness in Solis and Mijares but there still a little to young to tell and we'll see in the next couple of years.

[mrpain81]

most fighters who fight bums don't have a record like 43-0 or 89 0 - 1, even agianst soft opposition it's damn near impossible to be undefeated. Chavez gets my respect, he's got a record like the old time fighters, like SRR and harry greb

Yes sir, if it was so easy fighting 6-7 times a year and not losing you would see alot more fighters doing it.

[Left2body]

Yes sir, if it was so easy fighting 6-7 times a year and not losing you would see alot more fighters doing it.

Actually most fighters do fight that many times in the beginning of there careers against low level opposition to build experience and there record up. They then step up there level of competition which is harder and they have to take more time for it. Chavez just waited a lot longer to step up than others. He was 40 something fights into his career and still fighting guys with single digit fight experience.

Chavez is still great but his record is definitely heavly padded.

[mrpain81]

Actually most fighters do fight that many times in the beginning of there careers against low level opposition to build experience and there record up. They then step up there level of competition which is harder and they have to take more time for it. Chavez just waited a lot longer to step up than others. He was 40 something fights into his career and still fighting guys with single digit fight experience.

Chavez is still great but his record is definitely heavly padded.

Alot of that has to do with Boxrec having the records of Mexican fighters, look at durans record, he fought guys with a few pro bouts even after being champ for awhile.

[Left2body]

Alot of that has to do with Boxrec having the records of Mexican fighters, look at durans record, he fought guys with a few pro bouts even after being champ for awhile.

Dude I still love Chavez and he is one of my favorite fighters but I also feel that his record is padded. He was a beast and many Mexican and south american fighters have no amateur career and have a defacto amateur career in there first few years....i.e. Chavez jr. You'll usually see guys with extensive amateur experience take the step up in competition quicker.

[mrpain81]

Dude I still love Chavez and he is one of my favorite fighters but I also feel that his record is padded. He was a beast and many Mexican and south american fighters have no amateur career and have a defacto amateur career in there first few years....i.e. Chavez jr. You'll usually see guys with extensive amateur experience take the step up in competition quicker.

Your argument is irrelevant for the simple fact that Chavez has the record for most title fights out of any champion in the history of boxing.

Plus Chavez diden't have any Amature Experience before turning pro.

[Silencers]

Your argument is irrelevant for the simple fact that Chavez has the record for most title fights out of any champion in the history of boxing.

Plus Chavez diden't have any Amature Experience before turning pro.

He did have amateur experience, not a lengthy career but he did fight as an amateur.

[mrpain81]

He did have amateur experience, not a lengthy career but he did fight as an amateur.

I believe it was 15 amature fights, then he turned pro at acctually he turned pro at 17.

Edit just re-checked his record at boxrec.

[miron_lang]

1. Chavez, Lopez
2. Morales
3. Barrera
4. J. Marquez
5. R. Marquez, I. Vasquez
6. Castillo

[Left2body]

Your argument is irrelevant for the simple fact that Chavez has the record for most title fights out of any champion in the history of boxing.

Plus Chavez diden't have any Amature Experience before turning pro.

Thats my point, I dont hold it against him (early in his career) because all those guys were like a defacto amateur career for him.

Your misunderstanding me, I'm not saying Chavez isn't great just that his record is padded more than most fighters.