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    #41
    Originally posted by Ultimateboxa
    Even without Pavlik and Taylor. Calzaghe, Kessler, Mundine, Bute are a lot better than the top 4 at MW.

    Also bring in up and coming talent. I say its the best division, rivalling welters.
    The Welterweight division is Ten Times deeper than the Super Middleweight division. It's loaded with star caliber fighters.



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      #42
      Originally posted by RunW/Knives
      The Welterweight division is Ten Times deeper than the Super Middleweight division. It's loaded with star caliber fighters.
      Please give me the list.

      Then we can compare.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Ultimateboxa
        Please give me the list.

        Then we can compare.

        Originally posted by deliveryman
        Mayweather
        Cotto
        Mosely
        Williams
        Hatton
        De La Hoya
        Margarito
        Cintron
        Quintana
        Clottey
        Judah
        Baldomir
        Collazo
        Berto


        It sucks that the fights aren't being made in the WW division, but it is still undoubtedly deeper than any other division in boxing, including SMW.
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          #44
          Originally posted by gavinz1970
          Lol at Collazo, Baldomir (whose fighting at 154 now BTW,) DLH (still doubtful he can make WW), and Hatton (I seriously doubt he comes back to WW,) and Judah (3 losses in a row at WW.)
          I support this statement.

          Give me a couple of minutes to come up with a list of SMWS.

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            #45
            Calzaghe
            Kessler
            Mundine
            Bute
            Inkin
            Froch
            Andrade
            Jurgen Brahmer
            Edison Miranda
            Sakio Bika
            Jeff Lacy
            Jean Pascal
            Allan Green

            Key thing about my list, compared to yours: These guys will be fighting at this weight consistently from now on. There are many threats to Calzaghe and Kessler. More so than there is to Mayweather and Cotto in the welterweight division.

            SMW has greater depth.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Ultimateboxa
              Calzaghe
              Kessler
              Mundine
              Bute
              Inkin
              Froch
              Andrade
              Jurgen Brahmer
              Edison Miranda
              Sakio Bika
              Jeff Lacy
              Jean Pascal
              Allan Green

              Key thing about my list, compared to yours: These guys will be fighting at this weight consistently from now on. There are many threats to Calzaghe and Kessler. More so than there is to Mayweather and Cotto in the welterweight division.

              SMW has greater depth.
              ok there isn't a single threat to Calzaghe on that list, lol.



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                #47
                Originally posted by RunW/Knives
                ok there isn't a single threat to Calzaghe on that list, lol.
                Yep. Bute and Mundine. Bute is very strong and continues to develop. Mundine is technically the best out of them all, and to me would give Calzaghe a very tough run. Styles make fights.

                Also Kessler could take down an ageing Calzaghe maybe in a couple of years.

                These guys pose more of a threat to Joe. Than Cotto, Margarito etc etc do to Mayweather.

                SMW = Best division.

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                  #48
                  Calzaghe isn't a SMW fighter anymore. He is done with that division. His fight with Hopkins is his second last one at LHW. He will only fight one more huge name and be done with it .. if even one more. That fight will be at LHW as well if he is good against Hopkins. He will probably go against Jones Jr or something. No point counting Calzaghe anymore at that weight...at any rate he will not fight any of those guys. None are big enough names for him if he wins against Hopkins.

                  As always seems to be the case people stop counting divisions talent base when they get to WW. Maybe you guys should have a look below WW to find easily some of the most talented divisions in boxing today, as good as WW and SMW.

                  Lightweight and surrounding divisions always have an absurdly deep pool of talent. Today is no exception and it even now boasts some of boxings brightest future stars like the Gattiesque Katsidis or Juan Diaz and the other Diaz'. Or Jr lightweight: Pacquiao, Marquez, Guzman, Valero, Soto, Barrios, Arthur etc.

                  Also, I think the next biggest division for talent is the Jr Bantam. Such stars and future match-ups between fighters like Montiel, Mijares, Donaire, Munoz, Kirilov, Navarro, Gorrez, Arce and guys like Sakata, Naito possibly moving up it would be an absolutely huge talent packed division!!!

                  The lower weights are consistently more packed full of talent than any other weight but are also consistently overlooked. The more people keep overlooking them the less they will ever actually get any proper consideration for the talented divisions they are.

                  Lightweight rulezzz'
                  Last edited by BennyST; 02-25-2008, 03:07 AM.

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                    #49
                    Mayweather
                    Cotto
                    Mosely
                    Williams
                    Hatton
                    De La Hoya
                    Margarito
                    Cintron
                    Quintana
                    Clottey
                    Judah
                    Baldomir
                    Collazo
                    Berto

                    There are some serious problems with this list. As always seems to happen when people are talking up the WW divisions as the best these days. Guys like Baldomir and De La Hoya can be scrapped completely. They will not be fighting at WW anymore. Mosely will be finished very soon. Maybe one or two max fights left. Judah is not really a top contender anymore. He is like the gatekeeper of the division. Hatton will not fight at WW again either I'm quite sure. He will have enough to keep him busy in JWW for the rest of his career.

                    So really, the list is more like this in reality: Mayweather, Cotto, Williams (who will be moving up to 154 soon as well I think) Margarito, Cintron then the fringe contenders Clottey, Collazo, Quintana, Berto, Judah.

                    It's a good list of fighters but I still think there are divisions easily as good and full of new talent. Cotto may be the only real new star in that division apart from a good prospect like Berto.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by BennyST
                      Calzaghe isn't a SMW fighter anymore. He is done with that division. His fight with Hopkins is his second last one at LHW. He will only fight one more huge name and be done with it .. if even one more. That fight will be at LHW as well if he is good against Hopkins. He will probably go against Jones Jr or something. No point counting Calzaghe anymore at that weight...at any rate he will not fight any of those guys. None are big enough names for him if he wins against Hopkins.

                      As always seems to be the case people stop counting divisions talent base when they get to WW. Maybe you guys should have a look below WW to find easily some of the most talented divisions in boxing today, as good as WW and SMW.

                      Lightweight and surrounding divisions always have an absurdly deep pool of talent. Today is no exception and it even now boasts some of boxings brightest future stars like the Gattiesque Katsidis or Juan Diaz and the other Diaz'. Or Jr lightweight: Pacquiao, Marquez, Guzman, Valero, Soto, Barrios, Arthur etc.

                      Also, I think the next biggest division for talent is the Jr Bantam. Such stars and future match-ups between fighters like Montiel, Mijares, Donaire, Munoz, Kirilov, Navarro, Gorrez, Arce and guys like Sakata, Naito possibly moving up it would be an absolutely huge talent packed division!!!

                      The lower weights are consistently more packed full of talent than any other weight but are also consistently overlooked. The more people keep overlooking them the less they will ever actually get any proper consideration for the talented divisions they are.

                      Lightweight rulezzz'

                      Lower weights? No way. Not like WW or SMW.

                      Anyway, if Calzaghe is to fight RJJ it will be at SMW. That has been said numerous times..

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