Pavlik doesnt have a prayer against Calzaghe

[PeROxiDE]

No Disrespect, but I believe your opinion on this is extremely bias based on your likings for Calzaghe. Pavlik wasn't fighting a bum last week & how can you say Pavlik has a not great chin. Did you see the Miranda fight? I will agree Kessler is a better boxer, but I will not agree with you that Kessler has more power then Pavlik. They each posses a different type of power. Plus Pavlik's KO ratio is one of the best. Just cause Pav WON a decision over Taylor and didn't knock him out, doesn't make him weak now. I think ur logic is a lil off.

It wasnt so much that he didnt KO Taylor at all, I didnt expect him to. But when I watch the fight again, and some of the punches that land, he should have put Taylor away. He is not as powerful at 166, and if you actually compare KO ratios at the same stage of there respective careers, Pavlik has only 2 KO's more than Calzaghe. Not a great deal of difference I'm sure you'll agree, unless you look at class of opposition. All of joes fights after his 21st were world title fights, and as such the skill of his opposition has been significantly better than Pavliks. Couple that with his weak hands and the fact he "slaps" (he doesnt, but for the sake of arguement) and you come to the conclusion that Pavlik is a feather fisted slapper. These are some of the criticisms of Calzaghe, but at the stage Pavlik is at Calzaghes KO ratio, all things considered, was at least as good as pavliks, probably better. So if Pavliks is one of the best, surely Joes is too? Which means that Pavliks power is similair to joes, and Joes was inferior to Kesslers, hence so is Pavliks. Whose logic is off now?

[Rane-Ex54]

It wasnt so much that he didnt KO Taylor at all, I didnt expect him to. But when I watch the fight again, and some of the punches that land, he should have put Taylor away. He is not as powerful at 166, and if you actually compare KO ratios at the same stage of there respective careers, Pavlik has only 2 KO's more than Calzaghe. Not a great deal of difference I'm sure you'll agree, unless you look at class of opposition. All of joes fights after his 21st were world title fights, and as such the skill of his opposition has been significantly better than Pavliks. Couple that with his weak hands and the fact he "slaps" (he doesnt, but for the sake of arguement) and you come to the conclusion that Pavlik is a feather fisted slapper. These are some of the criticisms of Calzaghe, but at the stage Pavlik is at Calzaghes KO ratio, all things considered, was at least as good as pavliks, probably better. So if Pavliks is one of the best, surely Joes is too? Which means that Pavliks power is similair to joes, and Joes was inferior to Kesslers, hence so is Pavliks. Whose logic is off now?

haha your logic is still extremely bias. Your doing weird hoola hoop comparison. I would love to do a poll on this because, I'm almost positive most boxing people will agree that Pavlik has more Power then Calzaghe (even when Calzaghe was younger) Both fighters throw alot of punches and wear there opponents down. But most fo the time, Pavlik eventually KO's them. He may not look massivly powerful but his punches slowly damage you Calzaghe's doesn't, he box's them and just tires um out by switching styles/positions/pace. Calzaghe is a great fighter no doubt, but not known as a power puncher. Kessler to me still has more power then Joe. You pretty much just disregarded Cazlaghes last couple years because his hands are fragile. Thats kind of a BS excuse. Your assuming Pavlik is just going to keep getting UD's in the future. I don't agree with that. Pav has a great KO ratio, what was Calzghes ratio when he was at Pavlik point in his career?

All in all, I don't know who would win verse Pavlik VS Calzaghe. I actually would prob give edge to Calzaghe, but in no way does Calzaghe man handle Pav? That's a pretty bias and strickly emotioned based statement on ur part.

[ElGranLuchador]

calzaghe beats pavlik for sure all he has to do is use lateral movement and dont stand in there blocking pavlik shots like taylor did

[PeROxiDE]

haha your logic is still extremely bias. Your doing weird hoola hoop comparison. I would love to do a poll on this because, I'm almost positive most boxing people will agree that Pavlik has more Power then Calzaghe (even when Calzaghe was younger) Both fighters throw alot of punches and wear there opponents down. But most fo the time, Pavlik eventually KO's them. He may not look massivly powerful but his punches slowly damage you Calzaghe's doesn't, he box's them and just tires um out by switching styles/positions/pace. Calzaghe is a great fighter no doubt, but not known as a power puncher. Kessler to me still has more power then Joe. You pretty much just disregarded Cazlaghes last couple years because his hands are fragile. Thats kind of a BS excuse. Your assuming Pavlik is just going to keep getting UD's in the future. I don't agree with that. Pav has a great KO ratio, what was Calzghes ratio when he was at Pavlik point in his career?

All in all, I don't know who would win verse Pavlik VS Calzaghe. I actually would prob give edge to Calzaghe, but in no way does Calzaghe man handle Pav? That's a pretty bias and strickly emotioned based statement on ur part.

I've already mentioned this, but I'll break it down for you:

Pavlik: 33-0 (29)
Calzaghe: 33-0 (27)

I didnt even write off the last two years of his career, I was merely saying that hand problems have prevented him from remaining the devastating puncher he once was, and I dont give a **** what anyone says, he was. Before he fought Eubank for the world title he was 22-0 (21), with 18 KO's in the first 2 rounds. You dont get the nickname "the destroyer" for no reason. Next time you are going to claim I am being biased, look at the facts first.

[kforbs126]

Pavlik doesn't have problems making 160, maybe he will in a few years but I think he'll be at 160 for a while...

[DrewWoodside]

I've already mentioned this, but I'll break it down for you:

Pavlik: 33-0 (29)
Calzaghe: 33-0 (27)

I didnt even write off the last two years of his career, I was merely saying that hand problems have prevented him from remaining the devastating puncher he once was, and I dont give a **** what anyone says, he was. Before he fought Eubank for the world title he was 22-0 (21), with 18 KO's in the first 2 rounds. You dont get the nickname "the destroyer" for no reason. Next time you are going to claim I am being biased, look at the facts first.

Having Wales as your listed location, and having Wales soccer scores with owned isn't gonna make you look anymore objective. I also give the edge to Calzaghe right now, but give Pavlik a year and we can reaccess the situation. Pavlik is a weight class below and he just got his belt a few months ago. He has business at MW right now not SMW.

[Rane-Ex54]

I've already mentioned this, but I'll break it down for you:

Pavlik: 33-0 (29)
Calzaghe: 33-0 (27)

I didnt even write off the last two years of his career, I was merely saying that hand problems have prevented him from remaining the devastating puncher he once was, and I dont give a **** what anyone says, he was. Before he fought Eubank for the world title he was 22-0 (21), with 18 KO's in the first 2 rounds. You dont get the nickname "the destroyer" for no reason. Next time you are going to claim I am being biased, look at the facts first.

But don't you see, Calzaghe ended up not being a KO boxer. Pavlik still has years ahead of him to prove what he's made of. When Calzgahe was this young stud without hand problems, do you think he would have KO'd Miranda and Taylor the way Pav did? That was at middle too, not SMW.

In general, I've also always thought there was more talent in the middleweight division (because of money, etc..) then in SMW. Also, you are assuming that the competition on the way up is equal in America as it is in Wales/ England.

[PeROxiDE]

But don't you see, Calzaghe ended up not being a KO boxer. Pavlik still has years ahead of him to prove what he's made of. When Calzgahe was this young stud without hand problems, do you think he would have KO'd Miranda and Taylor the way Pav did? That was at middle too, not SMW.

In general, I've also always thought there was more talent in the middleweight division (because of money, etc..) then in SMW. Also, you are assuming that the competition on the way up is equal in America as it is in Wales/ England.

Actually I'm assuming that a SMW world champion faces tougher opposition than a middleweight unknown (as Pavlik was back then)

BTW, for those who dont know, Calzaghe has had hand problems his entire boxing career. As a teenager in the amatuers he was told he could never box again, personally I dont think hes done too bad for himself.

Calzaghe has fought tougher fighters than Taylor and Miranda in the past, Taylor has even ducked Calzaghe on several occassions, yet he still fought Pavlik twice....

And by asking me if Calzaghe could KO Taylor and Miranda the way Pavlik did, you sound like you are basing this whole arguement on how he performed in 2 fights, hardly a basis to form an educated opinion is it? I could always hit back with "would Pavlik dominate Lacy?" or "would Pavlik dominate Kessler?" Boxing doesnt work like that.

All this, and you are still trying to fault my logic........

[MELLY-MEL...]

No question joe at this point is better than kelly, but to give pavlik no shot is a comedy! he is only 25 years old, but one thing i will say is that joe at 25 had not fought the competition pavlik has thus far! his resuem speaks for itself for a 25 yr kid!

[MELLY-MEL...]

Actually I'm assuming that a SMW world champion faces tougher opposition than a middleweight unknown (as Pavlik was back then)

Calzaghe has fought tougher fighters than Taylor and Miranda in the past, Taylor has even ducked Calzaghe on several occassions, yet he still fought Pavlik twice....

And by asking me if Calzaghe could KO Taylor and Miranda the way Pavlik did, you sound like you are basing this whole arguement on how he performed in 2 fights, hardly a basis to form an educated opinion is it? I could always hit back with "would Pavlik dominate Lacy?" or "would Pavlik dominate Kessler?" Boxing doesnt work like that.

All this, and you are still trying to fault my logic........

1- no if you compare age of pavlik now 25, to joe at 25 he fought no one close to pavlik as far as opposition! eubank was his best opponent at the time, and he was far past it! Pavlik has, taylor 2x, miranda, zertuche, zuninga! these guys were all very good fighters, and never stopped b4 prior. his resume vs joe's at 25 is better. just the way it is man. joe is great, but for his age kelly is not a joke as to what he has accomplished already.

2-just because joe called taylor out he is ducking him? come on man, taylor just now is moving up to smw! stop being so biased. i am a big fan of joe and kelly, but some of the stuff you present is obviously hating toward pavlik!