Quarry, Young, Ellis, Lyle, Shavers, Norton today

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  • Karlos81
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    Quarry, Young, Ellis, Lyle, Shavers, Norton today

    Could any win a version of the HW title, i think probably and also think Norton would clean up.

    But thats just my view whats yours?
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    #2
    Originally posted by Karlos81
    Could any win a version of the HW title, i think probably and also think Norton would clean up.

    But thats just my view whats yours?

    Because these guys fought in the 70's, they are now glamorized and often overrated. Norton was the best of them and would have a pretty decent chance with his skills, but he had problems with big punchers. Lyle was strong and powerful, but also slow and predictable. Quarry was very good on his best nights, but would be a cruiserweight today. Same with Ellis, he was really a blown up light heavy who started at middleweight. Young is very similar to Eddie Chambers. Shavers' reputation keeps getting bigger over time, but while he was a devastating puncher, his defense, chin, and stamina were all sorely lacking.

    Summing it up, Norton and Lyle had the size and power to be competitive. The rest of them would look surprisingly small matched up against even average sized heavyweights of today. If you rate them P4P they do well, but that isn't real life when you are standing in the ring.

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    • TheGreatA
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      Norton, Lyle and Shavers probably could compete.

      Norton was 6'3, 220, very well conditioned, he could box, punch and take a punch except against the biggest of punchers. He walked through Ali's, Holmes' and Quarry's shots but folded against Foreman, Shavers and Cooney (though the last one was when Norton was past his prime). I can see him beating Maskaev, Ibragimov and Chagaev, Peter and Wlad would trouble him.
      Lyle was 6'3, 220, Lyle was a decent boxer with very good power in his counter punches, he had a good chin but his stamina didn't always last.
      Shavers was 6'0, 210, a very flawed fighter with great power in his right hand. His lack of stamina let him down often but he was a threat at his best. The Shavers who went 15 rounds with Ali would trouble Ibragimov and Maskaev.

      Quarry, Young and Ellis are a bit too small.

      Young could probably compete because of his skills like Chris Byrd, he isn't that small either 6'2 210-220.
      Ellis might be too small and his defense was pretty bad. He used to compete as a middleweight.
      Quarry is the smallest and even though he has decent power and a hell of a chin, I don't see him being successful with his style and his lack of defense in todays division.

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      • Degsy
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        Originally posted by TheManchine
        Norton, Lyle and Shavers probably could compete.

        Norton was 6'3, 220, very well conditioned, he could box, punch and take a punch except against the biggest of punchers. He walked through Ali's, Holmes' and Quarry's shots but folded against Foreman, Shavers and Cooney (though the last one was when Norton was past his prime). I can see him beating Maskaev, Ibragimov and Chagaev, Peter and Wlad would trouble him.
        Lyle was 6'3, 220, Lyle was a decent boxer with very good power in his counter punches, he had a good chin but his stamina didn't always last.
        Shavers was 6'0, 210, a very flawed fighter with great power in his right hand. His lack of stamina let him down often but he was a threat at his best. The Shavers who went 15 rounds with Ali would trouble Ibragimov and Maskaev.

        Quarry, Young and Ellis are a bit too small.

        Young could probably compete because of his skills like Chris Byrd, he isn't that small either 6'2 210-220.
        Ellis might be too small and his defense was pretty bad. He used to compete as a middleweight.
        Quarry is the smallest and even though he has decent power and a hell of a chin, I don't see him being successful with his style and his lack of defense in todays division.
        Jimmy would have been great at Cruiserweight if it was around then. Ernie would have been entertaining, but his conditioning - remember that fight where the ref should have stopped the fight, but then Shavers just threw a bomb from nowhere game over!!!!. Definitely Norton was the best, George said he knocked him out quickly because Ken's Physique scared him!!!!!!!

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        • duffgun
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          Norton could beat all the champs except for wlad, if he could take wlad into the later rounds he would have a chance though. Ellis was ok but i remember him getting a big gift decision against an old Patterson who broke his nose or jaw cant remember which one.

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            Jimmy Young was robbed vs 76 version of Ali and beat the **** outta Foreman.

            Very under-rated.

            I agree Norton would probably clean, but Chagaev and Ibraganov i doubt could hang with Shavers, Ellis or Quarry either

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              #7
              They would all get slaughtered, let's not kid

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                #8
                Originally posted by Karlos81
                Jimmy Young was robbed vs 76 version of Ali and beat the **** outta Foreman.

                Very under-rated.

                I agree Norton would probably clean, but Chagaev and Ibraganov i doubt could hang with Shavers, Ellis or Quarry either

                Eddie Chambers reminds me a lot of Young. Slick, light punching, and definitely not a toned up body.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by kayjay
                  They would all get slaughtered, let's not kid


                  Jimmy Young and Kenny Norton would lose to Chagaev or Ibragamov?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Scott9945
                    Eddie Chambers reminds me a lot of Young. Slick, light punching, and definitely not a toned up body.



                    Remember Ali got a gift over Young and Young beat Foreman a 70s Foreman beat Lyle twice, beat Shavers and lost an SD to a peak Norton.

                    Most under-rated heavy ever.

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