opinion of boxing

[thecrowrains]

Thanx for posting about the positions others practitioners have towards boxing and being very informative and open for civil debate. Wish more posters shared your posting style. (no ****)

2501,

You're welcome, and likewise to you for offering your opinion about Wing Tsun, namely that it seems to "have a weakness" in that they rely on getting in-close to their opponent in order to do their Wing Tsun technique. It would seem that a boxer would simply have to execute their offensive technique by simply staying outside of their intercepting-range.

2501, what specific boxing punches could one use to stay outside of their intercepting-range?

[2501]

2501,

You're welcome, and likewise to you for offering your opinion about Wing Tsun, namely that it seems to "have a weakness" in that they rely on getting in-close to their opponent in order to do their Wing Tsun technique. It would seem that a boxer would simply have to execute their offensive technique by simply staying outside of their intercepting-range.

2501, what specific boxing punches could one use to stay outside of their intercepting-range?

From what I can see, a quick stiff jab followed by lateral movement COULD be effective against Wing Tsun. In boxing, the jab is the most important punch as it causes the opponent to lose rhythm. A Boxer with excellent outside skills could effectively elude getting tangled by the Wing Tsunist (?) with straight rights or lefts. Straights are the easiest to retract once thrown were as hooks require a boxer to retract the punch from within after throwing it. Mayweather is an excellent example of a fighter who effectively lands a punch without letting his body or arms linger after.

It seems like a practitioner of Wing Tsun would be most effective if the opponent keeps their arms in reach for countering. It would be dope to see this in action though.

[thecrowrains]

From what I can see, a quick stiff jab followed by lateral movement COULD be effective against Wing Tsun. In boxing, the jab is the most important punch as it causes the opponent to lose rhythm. A Boxer with excellent outside skills could effectively elude getting tangled by the Wing Tsunist (?) with straight rights or lefts. Straights are the easiest to retract once thrown were as hooks require a boxer to retract the punch from within after throwing it. Mayweather is an excellent example of a fighter who effectively lands a punch without letting his body or arms linger after.

It seems like a practitioner of Wing Tsun would be most effective if the opponent keeps their arms in reach for countering. It would be dope to see this in action though.

2501,
ha! Dope indeed to witness a boxing artist vs. Wing Tsun artist, especially if this was a nonchoreographed fight. 2501, interesting your mention of Straight Rights or Straight Lefts. Bruce Lee's style/art of Jeet Kune Do (which is what I'm hoping to improve in) uses the Straight Lead as its bread-n-butter punch. Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do (JKD) executes it exactly as the late, great boxers Jack Dempsey and J. Driscoll did this punch: a Vertical Fist, in other words, thumb-side of the fist is up. With the thumb-side up with the Straight Lead, supposedly the PHSYICS and science of skeletal alignment come into play: a stronger, less jarring punch on the wrist, elbow, and shoulder joints. Vital to this punch was also the side of the body punching facing the opponent, with a torque of the hips to follow through. It makes for a narrow target if your opponent aims to counterpunch.

[2501]

2501,
ha! Dope indeed to witness a boxing artist vs. Wing Tsun artist, especially if this was a nonchoreographed fight. 2501, interesting your mention of Straight Rights or Straight Lefts. Bruce Lee's style/art of Jeet Kune Do (which is what I'm hoping to improve in) uses the Straight Lead as its bread-n-butter punch. Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do (JKD) executes it exactly as the late, great boxers Jack Dempsey and J. Driscoll did this punch: a Vertical Fist, in other words, thumb-side of the fist is up. With the thumb-side up with the Straight Lead, supposedly the PHSYICS and science of skeletal alignment come into play: a stronger, less jarring punch on the wrist, elbow, and shoulder joints. Vital to this punch was also the side of the body punching facing the opponent, with a torque of the hips to follow through. It makes for a narrow target if your opponent aims to counterpunch.

werd, like I've mentioned, im not well versed on martial arts and this thread was the first time i've ever heard of Wing Tsun, but it seems to be a style developed for close quarter combat. Perfected and mastered, it would obviously be more efficient than boxing in the given the right circumstances, but I would disagree that it would be an effective style to use against boxing as boxing has so many different strategies that can be utilized against many different styles.

[thecrowrains]

werd, like I've mentioned, im not well versed on martial arts and this thread was the first time i've ever heard of Wing Tsun, but it seems to be a style developed for close quarter combat. Perfected and mastered, it would obviously be more efficient than boxing in the given the right circumstances, but I would disagree that it would be an effective style to use against boxing as boxing has so many different strategies that can be utilized against many different styles.

2501,
Understood; this is your first discussion-thread on martial arts. Martial arts is just a fancy name for "fighting" at the bare bones minimum. Correct, you're right that Wing Tsun is a style for close quarter combat. Interesting that you should mention that IF IT WAS perfected and mastered it could become better than boxing. If you want to learn more about martial arts, YouTube has tons of video links. For help here are some keywords: Wing Tsun, Wing Chun, Ving Tzun, Emin Boztepe, Bruce Lee, Samuel Kwok, Yip Man, Keith Kersnpecht : to name just a few.
2501,
I should mention that I am a novice when it comes to boxing and my knowledge is limited to what I wrote earlier, based on Jeet Kune Do training and some book-research on Jeet Kune Do: 'The Straight Lead - The Core of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do' - Tuttle Publishers wrote extensively on the influence of boxing on JKD. In case you did not know Bruce Lee created JKD from boxing, Wing Chun, Fencing, and other martial arts.

My main doubt about Wing Tsun is that it teaches people according to 'What If', choreographed scenarios, like you witnessed in some of the YouTube links.

I'd be curious to see how Emin Boztepe did "his stuff" against a 1980s Mike Tyson, or the 1970s Muhammed Ali!

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

2501,
Understood; this is your first discussion-thread on martial arts. Martial arts is just a fancy name for "fighting" at the bare bones minimum. Correct, you're right that Wing Tsun is a style for close quarter combat. Interesting that you should mention that IF IT WAS perfected and mastered it could become better than boxing. If you want to learn more about martial arts, YouTube has tons of video links. For help here are some keywords: Wing Tsun, Wing Chun, Ving Tzun, Emin Boztepe, Bruce Lee, Samuel Kwok, Yip Man, Keith Kersnpecht : to name just a few.
2501,
I should mention that I am a novice when it comes to boxing and my knowledge is limited to what I wrote earlier, based on Jeet Kune Do training and some book-research on Jeet Kune Do: 'The Straight Lead - The Core of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do' - Tuttle Publishers wrote extensively on the influence of boxing on JKD. In case you did not know Bruce Lee created JKD from boxing, Wing Chun, Fencing, and other martial arts.

My main doubt about Wing Tsun is that it teaches people according to 'What If', choreographed scenarios, like you witnessed in some of the YouTube links.

I'd be curious to see how Emin Boztepe did "his stuff" against a 1980s Mike Tyson, or the 1970s Muhammed Ali!

I strongly dissagree with your post above that I put in bold. Martial Arts is much, much more than fighting at it's core. I don't think that Bruce Lee saw "flaws" in traditional martial arts, I believe it was more of him seeing the uncut "fat" that still existed in them. Bruce Lee focused more on the physical side of martial arts, rather than the spiritual side of them.

He saw little or no use for those phylosophies because he wanted to get to the core of it's physicality. In reality, Martial Arts are just that....they are an ART. Art is a term that is often thought of when you see a painting or sculpture or hear music but it's much more than that.

Art can be a discipline, a way of life. That is what the Martial Arts are, a way of life more than just a fighting system. The fighting aspect in martial arts exists because there has to be balance between the mind and the body before you truly reach a certian level of enlightenment. Monks in Tibet can actually lower thei heart rate to about 20 beats per minute in order to survive in the freezing cold in the mountians for days at a time. That does not come from a physical discipline but a mental one. They could never ahcieve this power by physical training alone, it takes mind over matter to do this.

I began studying a Philippino martial art called "Kali" or "Arnis". It's a weapon based art that focuses on strikes to vital points and quick fluid movement. The base weapon is the "Escrima Stick". That moved me into boxing and I fell in love with boxing at the age of about 14. I'm no expert in either sport but i think that there is no right or wrong martial art or fighting system.

It depends on the individual and his/her skills but I do feel that in a complete fight a pure boxer would have little or no chance against a trained fighter with knowledge of many different styles.

[CardioMonster]

If Wing Chun or JKD was an effective fighting style, it would be used in No Holds Barred Competitions like Pride or the UFC.

The only effective martial arts in my opinion are Mui Thai and BJJ.